Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00664)

And the chelas? Are there any officially today?


M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anton Rozman 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:27 AM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: Rules and Principles 1


  Dear Morten,

  >I am no member of TS Adyar in any litteral sense.<

  Probably not being a member of the organization one tends to be 
  mainly oriented towards philosophy, teachings, path itself, while 
  being part of the organization one has to face the normative issues 
  too.

  I met many extraordinary people among the members of the TS Adyar but 
  also some very rude and dogmatic. And unfortunately there were later 
  that mainly pulled strings in the environment where I grew up - but I 
  am quite sure that they represent the minority of membership.

  Anton

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
  theosophy@...> wrote:
  >
  > 
  > Thanks Anton
  > 
  > I still feel that those "guru crutches" are creeping in over the 
  doorstep everywhere at the TS. And the Seekers are confused about 
  whether they are allowed there or not. :-)
  > 
  > But that is just me, and I am no member of TS Adyar in any litteral 
  sense.
  > I wonder if there are any chelas who are members of the TS. In the 
  old days there were plenty. Today we problably only have "crutches" 
  at TS Adyar?
  > 
  > 
  > M. Sufilight
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Anton Rozman 
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:53 PM
  > Subject: Theos-World Re: Rules and Principles 1
  > 
  > 
  > Dear Morten,
  > 
  > >Without the previous leaders in the TS. TS would not have been 
  what 
  > it is today. And that is at least something worthwhile 
  considering. 
  > It could have been much worse, could it not? All leaders in TS 
  have 
  > their troubles, one of them being members of TS and their 
  distrust in 
  > any leaders - also called crutches. :-)<
  > 
  > With those words N. Sri Ram certainly didn't want to invite us to 
  > begin to discredit other people but to try to find a solution and 
  > this is certainly also my aim. I deeply respect all who have 
  worked 
  > for the cause and contributed that the movement has survived all 
  > these years. 
  > 
  > But what went wrong? Nevertheless all that good intentions 
  present in 
  > each member of the theosophical movement what went wrong that 
  there 
  > were divisions, exclusions, ostracism? Why were mutual attacks 
  > present between the members of various theosophical traditions? 
  Are 
  > different views on the teachings good reason to attack each 
  other? 
  > Why there is so much tension and dissatisfaction present in our 
  own 
  > Society? Are there answers to these questions? Can we find a way 
  out 
  > of this situation?
  > 
  > Irrelevant questions? I don't think so. But I will certainly not 
  > abuse this forum with my e-mails if there will not be interest 
  for 
  > such discussion.
  > 
  > I still think that we will do most for the world if we will in 
  first 
  > place solve the problems within the theosophical movement itself. 
  > 
  > Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes to you, HPB and M,
  > Anton
  > 
  > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
  > theosophy@> wrote:
  > >
  > > My views are:
  > > 
  > > 
  > > A few views, just to say something instead of nothing...
  > > 
  > > Yes Brottherhood is a good idea.
  > > Yet it seems to me, that a number of leading persons are hit by 
  the 
  > arch-enemy of various theosophists called - mistrust or perhaps 
  fear 
  > of dupas or similar persons within the TS groups.
  > > 
  > > TS Adyar looks more and more like a group without leadership, a 
  > raft believed being a boat.
  > > Or is it just me?
  > > 
  > > In the old days HPB would have responded in Lucifer or the 
  > Theosophist putting it all where it belongs.
  > > 
  > > - - - - - - -
  > > So if I should respond or at least seek to respond like a HPB, 
  I 
  > would say: 
  > > 
  > > Stop talking irrelevantly about less important issues. 
  > > Meditate properly and wisely - and reach your own conclusion. 
  Do 
  > not waste hours on emailing about this issue.
  > > 
  > > Remember: A tree is always known on its fruits. 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > - - - - - - - 
  > > Without the previous leaders in the TS. TS would not have been 
  what 
  > it is today. And that is at least something worthwhile 
  considering. 
  > It could have been much worse, could it not?
  > > All leaders in TS have their troubles, one of them being 
  members of 
  > TS and their distrust in any leaders - also called crutches. 
  > > :-)
  > > 
  > > - - - - - - - 
  > > Listen. The Masters and HPB will guide you all so you reach a 
  > leadership, which will teach you the lessons you are in need of. 
  And 
  > not necessarily what you want yourselves. Try to Rethink this 
  view.
  > > 
  > > Just to let you know: 
  > > I was given a short telepathically imprint of HPB and Master 
  Morya 
  > two days ago - by HPB. There are around for sure. Well if it is 
  not 
  > Maya at play again. :-)
  > > 
  > > 
  > > I do hope these words was of help to you.
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > M. Sufilight
  > > 
  > > 
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: Anton Rozman 
  > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:53 AM
  > > Subject: Theos-World Rules and Principles 1
  > > 
  > > 
  > > "Let us accept no creed, no practice, no institution which does 
  > not 
  > > answer the test of brotherhood."* 
  > > 
  > > But if we want to respect this proposal, we find ourselves in 
  > front of 
  > > a difficult task, as we have to ask ourselves: are there any 
  > objective 
  > > measures at all which can help us to verify if the creed, 
  > practice or 
  > > functioning of a definite institution is fraternal. 
  > > 
  > > Can we therefore find some objective measures to verify if the 
  > > functioning of an institution is in fact fraternal? Maybe some 
  > will 
  > > think that such task is not necessary and useful, but here is 
  > another 
  > > thought: 
  > > 
  > > "Each must lead himself, which implies intelligence, a clear 
  > purpose, a 
  > > vision of his own, a willingness to determine his steps for 
  > himself, 
  > > the acceptance of one's responsibility and the faculty of pure, 
  > > individual and uninfluenced judgment."*
  > > 
  > > * Nantiloka Shri Ram, Thoughts for Aspirants.
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
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