Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00184)

If Krishnamurti could not do in his country   ;
why you cannot???????Only have critics on nonsense!!!!!
Having big mouth about  one before your time,
Why you cannot make your country healthy????
It is realy terrible what happens in India,
young girls from Nepal sitting for prostitution in Puna.
Not only that, the lot of poors and nothing will help for that.
Whatever the west pay for, it never will be ended.
Because of things we all know and nobody will change that.
So it is carrying water to the see.
So Krishnamurti is right, no master will help if we all ignore that 
problems and don't have active solutions.

It is the responsabilty for all humans.And every human for him or 
herself.

Christina


















--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand" <AnandGholap@...> wrote:
>
> Many followers of Krishnamurti tried to tell me that Krishnamurti's
> teaching is same as Buddhism. They told me that Guru or Spiritual
> Master does not exist in Buddhism and it is inner Guru, which is 
the
> only Guru, no other Guru is required. Unfortunately these 
followers of
> Krishnamurti are grossly wrong about their idea of Buddhism.
> Below I am giving the information about concept Guru as understood 
in
> Buddhism. It is taken from wikipedia and it confirms what I was 
told
> by a lama who is international speaker on Buddhism.
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Source: Wikipedia
> Guru in Buddhism
> In the Theravada Buddhist tradition, the teacher is a valued and
> honoured mentor worthy of great respect, and is a source of
> inspiration on the path to Enlightenment.
> Blessed by the guru, whom the disciple regards as a Bodhisattva, or
> the embodiment of Buddha, the disciple can continue on the way to
> experiencing the true nature of reality. The disciple shows great
> appreciation and devotion for the guru, whose blessing is the last 
of
> the four foundations of Vajrayana Buddhism.
> In the Tibetan tradition, the guru is seen as the Buddha, the very
> root of spiritual realization and the basis of the path. Without 
the
> teacher, it is asserted, there can be no experience or insight. In
> Tibetan texts, great emphasis is placed upon praising the virtues 
of
> the guru.
> The Dalai Lama, speaking of the importance of the guru, said: 
"Rely on
> the teachings to evaluate a guru: Do not have blind faith, but 
also no
> blind criticism." He also observed that the term 'living Buddha' 
is a
> translation of the Chinese words huo fuo. In Tibetan, he said, the
> operative word is lama which means 'guru'. A guru is someone who is
> not necessarily a Buddha, but is heavy with knowledge. The term 
vajra
> is also used, meaning 'master'.
> Tantric teachings include visualizing the guru and making offerings
> praising the guru. The guru is known as the vajra (literally
> "diamond") guru. Initiations or ritual empowerments are necessary
> before the student is permitted to practise a particular tantra. 
The
> guru does not perform initiation as an individual, but as the 
person's
> own Buddha-nature reflected in the personality of the guru. The
> disciple is asked to make vows and commitments which preserve the
> spiritual link to the guru, and is told that to break this link is 
a
> serious downfall."
> -----------------------------------------------
> Wikipedia topic ends here.
> ---------------------------------
> Anand Gholap : This idea of Guru is very similar to idea of Guru in
> Hinduism. And after studying attitude of Christian devotees towards
> Jesus, I think that they give Jesus similar position which 
Buddhists
> or Hindus give to Guru.
> And one can see that Krishnamurti's condemnation of Guru concept 
does
> not fit at all in Buddhist or any other major religious tradition.
> Anand Gholap
>