Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00102)

My view is this whole debate about leadership is bull.
The Mc.Cain note I made was meant sarcastically, its
how the world is run these days: not cooperate? we
bomb the shit out of you...
I think we need at least 500000 HPB's to get our acts
together here on earth, else it is goodbye tada..next.


--- Morten Nymann Olesen
<global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

> 
> My views are:
> 
> I disagree.
> I cannot agree theosophically with those who make
> war dependent on how good their energy policy are
> running. Can you?
> 
> - - - - - - -
> 
> A Silver Star medal
> 
> Vietnam War. This war was a bad war. One of leaders
> of the American civil rights movement Martin Luther
> King Jr. in fact said a few wise words about it in
> 1967:
> 
> 
> Martin Luther King Jr.: "Why I Am Opposed to the War
> in Vietnam"
> "Now, let me tell you the truth about it. They must
> see Americans as strange liberators. Do you realize
> that the Vietnamese people proclaimed their own
> independence in 1945 after a combined French and
> Japanese occupation. And incidentally, this was
> before the Communist revolution in China. They were
> led by Ho Chi Minh. And this is a little-known fact,
> and these people declared themselves independent in
> 1945. They quoted our Declaration of Independence in
> their document of freedom, and yet our government
> refused to recognize them. President Truman said
> they were not ready for independence. So we fell
> victim as a nation at that time of the same deadly
> arrogance that has poisoned the international
> situation for all of these years. France then set
> out to reconquer its former colony. And they fought
> eight long, hard, brutal years trying to re-conquer
> Vietnam. You know who helped France? It was the
> United States of America. It came to the point that
> we were meeting more than eighty percent of the war
> costs. And even when France started despairing of
> its reckless action, we did not. And in 1954, a
> conference was called at Geneva, and an agreement
> was reached, because France had been defeated at
> Dien Bien Phu. But even after that, and after the
> Geneva Accord, we did not stop. We must face the sad
> fact that our government sought, in a real sense, to
> sabotage the Geneva Accord. Well, after the French
> were defeated, it looked as if independence and land
> reform would come through the Geneva agreement. But
> instead the United States came and started
> supporting a man named Diem who turned out to be one
> of the most ruthless dictators in the history of the
> world. He set out to silence all opposition. People
> were brutally murdered because they raised their
> voices against the brutal policies of Diem. And the
> peasants watched and cringed as Diem ruthlessly
> rooted out all opposition. The peasants watched as
> all this was presided over by United States
> influence and by increasing numbers of United States
> troops who came to help quell the insurgency that
> Diem's methods had aroused. When Diem was
> overthrown, they may have been happy, but the long
> line of military dictatorships seemed to offer no
> real change, especially in terms of their need for
> land and peace. And who are we supporting in Vietnam
> today? It's a man by the name of general Ky [Air
> Vice Marshal Nguyen Cao Ky] who fought with the
> French against his own people, and who said on one
> occasion that the greatest hero of his life is
> Hitler. This is who we are supporting in Vietnam
> today. Oh, our government and the press generally
> won't tell us these things, but God told me to tell
> you this morning. The truth must be told." ( Sermon
> at the Ebenezer Baptist Church on April 30, 1967)
>
http://husseini.org/2007/01/martin-luther-king-jr-why-i-am.html
> 
> 
> 
> So what is going on today?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Martin 
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:38 PM
>   Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: [theos-l] How to win
> a Presidential Election
> 
> 
>   This is how to win it:
> 
>   "My friends, I will have an energy policy which
> will
>   eliminate our dependence on oil from Middle East
> that
>   will then prevent us from having ever to send our
>   young men and women into conflict again in the
> Middle
>   East."
> 
>   Sen.Mc Cain
> 
>   --- MKR <mkr777@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   > When I see what is going on, I came across a
> cite
>   > from Ernest Wood's book ==
>   > "Is this Theosophy?" which appears relevant. He
> ran
>   > in the election in which
>   > George Arundale was elected as President to
> succeed
>   > Annie Besant. Here is
>   > the cite:
>   > 
>   > "In the very end of the book Wood writes:
>   > 
>   > The new President, Mr. Arundale -- he now
> dropped
>   > the use of his title of
>   > Bishop outside the church activities, as he ahd
>   > announced his intention to
>   > do so -- or Dr. Arundale, if we are to recognize
> the
>   > honorary degree
>   > conferred upon him by the short-lived National
>   > University -- wrote me that
>   > his intentions were to pursue a thoroughly
> liberal
>   > policy. I could not
>   > congratulate him on his election, considering
> the
>   > way in which it had been
>   > conducted, but I wrote wishing him success in
> the
>   > liberal intentions
>   > expressed in his letter to me.
>   > 
>   > But since I saw no landing-place for the weary
>   > unwelcome foot of the white
>   > dove of truth in the new interpretation of the
>   > Society's principle of
>   > tolerance: "Thou shall not find fault with a
>   > brother's views or
>   > activities." What a convenience that sort of
>   > tolerance would be to
>   > lawbreakers in general, if only it could be
> adopted
>   > in the outside world!'
>   > 
>   > I learned to detest theosophical politics, with
>   > their hiding everything
>   > that does not redound to the credit of those in
>   > power, and their perpetual
>   > circles of mutual admiration, but I was left
> with a
>   > high regard for the
>   > theosophists scattered over the world as a
> lovable--
>   > albeit most innocent
>   > and childlike -- body of people.
>   > 
>   > It is not here, nor is it there, that pure life
> or
>   > truth shall be found.
>   > There are no secret passages to truth. No
>   > hocus-pocus of incantations, of
>   > word or of the subtler word that is thought, can
>   > light or fan the central
>   > fire. No establishment can establish it; no
>   > communications communicate.
>   > 
>   > end----"
>   > 
>   > mkr
>   > 
>   > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Anton Rozman
>   > <anton_rozman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>   > 
>   > > I am reading and re-reading the message and
> can
>   > not understand how
>   > > the International Secretary violated the Rules
> and
>   > Regulations and
>   > > compromised the freedom and fairness of the
>   > election with the
>   > > disclosure of names of those who will except
>   > nominations and who not.
>   > > More information delivered the better.
>   > >
>   > > In democracy it is allowed everything what is
> not
> 
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