Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00103)

Allright.
But, my knowledge telle me, that one Avatar would be enough.
Yet the Law of Karma is ruling the show.


M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Martin 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:01 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: [theos-l] How to win a Presidential Election


  My view is this whole debate about leadership is bull.
  The Mc.Cain note I made was meant sarcastically, its
  how the world is run these days: not cooperate? we
  bomb the shit out of you...
  I think we need at least 500000 HPB's to get our acts
  together here on earth, else it is goodbye tada..next.

  --- Morten Nymann Olesen
  <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

  > 
  > My views are:
  > 
  > I disagree.
  > I cannot agree theosophically with those who make
  > war dependent on how good their energy policy are
  > running. Can you?
  > 
  > - - - - - - -
  > 
  > A Silver Star medal
  > 
  > Vietnam War. This war was a bad war. One of leaders
  > of the American civil rights movement Martin Luther
  > King Jr. in fact said a few wise words about it in
  > 1967:
  > 
  > 
  > Martin Luther King Jr.: "Why I Am Opposed to the War
  > in Vietnam"
  > "Now, let me tell you the truth about it. They must
  > see Americans as strange liberators. Do you realize
  > that the Vietnamese people proclaimed their own
  > independence in 1945 after a combined French and
  > Japanese occupation. And incidentally, this was
  > before the Communist revolution in China. They were
  > led by Ho Chi Minh. And this is a little-known fact,
  > and these people declared themselves independent in
  > 1945. They quoted our Declaration of Independence in
  > their document of freedom, and yet our government
  > refused to recognize them. President Truman said
  > they were not ready for independence. So we fell
  > victim as a nation at that time of the same deadly
  > arrogance that has poisoned the international
  > situation for all of these years. France then set
  > out to reconquer its former colony. And they fought
  > eight long, hard, brutal years trying to re-conquer
  > Vietnam. You know who helped France? It was the
  > United States of America. It came to the point that
  > we were meeting more than eighty percent of the war
  > costs. And even when France started despairing of
  > its reckless action, we did not. And in 1954, a
  > conference was called at Geneva, and an agreement
  > was reached, because France had been defeated at
  > Dien Bien Phu. But even after that, and after the
  > Geneva Accord, we did not stop. We must face the sad
  > fact that our government sought, in a real sense, to
  > sabotage the Geneva Accord. Well, after the French
  > were defeated, it looked as if independence and land
  > reform would come through the Geneva agreement. But
  > instead the United States came and started
  > supporting a man named Diem who turned out to be one
  > of the most ruthless dictators in the history of the
  > world. He set out to silence all opposition. People
  > were brutally murdered because they raised their
  > voices against the brutal policies of Diem. And the
  > peasants watched and cringed as Diem ruthlessly
  > rooted out all opposition. The peasants watched as
  > all this was presided over by United States
  > influence and by increasing numbers of United States
  > troops who came to help quell the insurgency that
  > Diem's methods had aroused. When Diem was
  > overthrown, they may have been happy, but the long
  > line of military dictatorships seemed to offer no
  > real change, especially in terms of their need for
  > land and peace. And who are we supporting in Vietnam
  > today? It's a man by the name of general Ky [Air
  > Vice Marshal Nguyen Cao Ky] who fought with the
  > French against his own people, and who said on one
  > occasion that the greatest hero of his life is
  > Hitler. This is who we are supporting in Vietnam
  > today. Oh, our government and the press generally
  > won't tell us these things, but God told me to tell
  > you this morning. The truth must be told." ( Sermon
  > at the Ebenezer Baptist Church on April 30, 1967)
  >
  http://husseini.org/2007/01/martin-luther-king-jr-why-i-am.html
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > So what is going on today?
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > M. Sufilight
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Martin 
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:38 PM
  > Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: [theos-l] How to win
  > a Presidential Election
  > 
  > 
  > This is how to win it:
  > 
  > "My friends, I will have an energy policy which
  > will
  > eliminate our dependence on oil from Middle East
  > that
  > will then prevent us from having ever to send our
  > young men and women into conflict again in the
  > Middle
  > East."
  > 
  > Sen.Mc Cain
  > 
  > --- MKR <mkr777@gmail.com> wrote:
  > 
  > > When I see what is going on, I came across a
  > cite
  > > from Ernest Wood's book ==
  > > "Is this Theosophy?" which appears relevant. He
  > ran
  > > in the election in which
  > > George Arundale was elected as President to
  > succeed
  > > Annie Besant. Here is
  > > the cite:
  > > 
  > > "In the very end of the book Wood writes:
  > > 
  > > The new President, Mr. Arundale -- he now
  > dropped
  > > the use of his title of
  > > Bishop outside the church activities, as he ahd
  > > announced his intention to
  > > do so -- or Dr. Arundale, if we are to recognize
  > the
  > > honorary degree
  > > conferred upon him by the short-lived National
  > > University -- wrote me that
  > > his intentions were to pursue a thoroughly
  > liberal
  > > policy. I could not
  > > congratulate him on his election, considering
  > the
  > > way in which it had been
  > > conducted, but I wrote wishing him success in
  > the
  > > liberal intentions
  > > expressed in his letter to me.
  > > 
  > > But since I saw no landing-place for the weary
  > > unwelcome foot of the white
  > > dove of truth in the new interpretation of the
  > > Society's principle of
  > > tolerance: "Thou shall not find fault with a
  > > brother's views or
  > > activities." What a convenience that sort of
  > > tolerance would be to
  > > lawbreakers in general, if only it could be
  > adopted
  > > in the outside world!'
  > > 
  > > I learned to detest theosophical politics, with
  > > their hiding everything
  > > that does not redound to the credit of those in
  > > power, and their perpetual
  > > circles of mutual admiration, but I was left
  > with a
  > > high regard for the
  > > theosophists scattered over the world as a
  > lovable--
  > > albeit most innocent
  > > and childlike -- body of people.
  > > 
  > > It is not here, nor is it there, that pure life
  > or
  > > truth shall be found.
  > > There are no secret passages to truth. No
  > > hocus-pocus of incantations, of
  > > word or of the subtler word that is thought, can
  > > light or fan the central
  > > fire. No establishment can establish it; no
  > > communications communicate.
  > > 
  > > end----"
  > > 
  > > mkr
  > > 
  > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Anton Rozman
  > > <anton_rozman@yahoo.com> wrote:
  > > 
  > > > I am reading and re-reading the message and
  > can
  > > not understand how
  > > > the International Secretary violated the Rules
  > and
  > > Regulations and
  > > > compromised the freedom and fairness of the
  > > election with the
  > > > disclosure of names of those who will except
  > > nominations and who not.
  > > > More information delivered the better.
  > > >
  > > > In democracy it is allowed everything what is
  > not
  > 
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