Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00095)

My views are:

I disagree.
I cannot agree theosophically with those who make war dependent on how good their energy policy are running. Can you?

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A Silver Star medal

Vietnam War. This war was a bad war. One of leaders of the American civil rights movement Martin Luther King Jr. in fact said a few wise words about it in 1967:


Martin Luther King Jr.: "Why I Am Opposed to the War in Vietnam"
"Now, let me tell you the truth about it. They must see Americans as strange liberators. Do you realize that the Vietnamese people proclaimed their own independence in 1945 after a combined French and Japanese occupation. And incidentally, this was before the Communist revolution in China. They were led by Ho Chi Minh. And this is a little-known fact, and these people declared themselves independent in 1945. They quoted our Declaration of Independence in their document of freedom, and yet our government refused to recognize them. President Truman said they were not ready for independence. So we fell victim as a nation at that time of the same deadly arrogance that has poisoned the international situation for all of these years. France then set out to reconquer its former colony. And they fought eight long, hard, brutal years trying to re-conquer Vietnam. You know who helped France? It was the United States of America. It came to the point that we were meeting more than eighty percent of the war costs. And even when France started despairing of its reckless action, we did not. And in 1954, a conference was called at Geneva, and an agreement was reached, because France had been defeated at Dien Bien Phu. But even after that, and after the Geneva Accord, we did not stop. We must face the sad fact that our government sought, in a real sense, to sabotage the Geneva Accord. Well, after the French were defeated, it looked as if independence and land reform would come through the Geneva agreement. But instead the United States came and started supporting a man named Diem who turned out to be one of the most ruthless dictators in the history of the world. He set out to silence all opposition. People were brutally murdered because they raised their voices against the brutal policies of Diem. And the peasants watched and cringed as Diem ruthlessly rooted out all opposition. The peasants watched as all this was presided over by United States influence and by increasing numbers of United States troops who came to help quell the insurgency that Diem's methods had aroused. When Diem was overthrown, they may have been happy, but the long line of military dictatorships seemed to offer no real change, especially in terms of their need for land and peace. And who are we supporting in Vietnam today? It's a man by the name of general Ky [Air Vice Marshal Nguyen Cao Ky] who fought with the French against his own people, and who said on one occasion that the greatest hero of his life is Hitler. This is who we are supporting in Vietnam today. Oh, our government and the press generally won't tell us these things, but God told me to tell you this morning. The truth must be told." ( Sermon at the Ebenezer Baptist Church on April 30, 1967)
http://husseini.org/2007/01/martin-luther-king-jr-why-i-am.html



So what is going on today?






M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Martin 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: [theos-l] How to win a Presidential Election


  This is how to win it:

  "My friends, I will have an energy policy which will
  eliminate our dependence on oil from Middle East that
  will then prevent us from having ever to send our
  young men and women into conflict again in the Middle
  East."

  Sen.Mc Cain

  --- MKR <mkr777@gmail.com> wrote:

  > When I see what is going on, I came across a cite
  > from Ernest Wood's book ==
  > "Is this Theosophy?" which appears relevant. He ran
  > in the election in which
  > George Arundale was elected as President to succeed
  > Annie Besant. Here is
  > the cite:
  > 
  > "In the very end of the book Wood writes:
  > 
  > The new President, Mr. Arundale -- he now dropped
  > the use of his title of
  > Bishop outside the church activities, as he ahd
  > announced his intention to
  > do so -- or Dr. Arundale, if we are to recognize the
  > honorary degree
  > conferred upon him by the short-lived National
  > University -- wrote me that
  > his intentions were to pursue a thoroughly liberal
  > policy. I could not
  > congratulate him on his election, considering the
  > way in which it had been
  > conducted, but I wrote wishing him success in the
  > liberal intentions
  > expressed in his letter to me.
  > 
  > But since I saw no landing-place for the weary
  > unwelcome foot of the white
  > dove of truth in the new interpretation of the
  > Society's principle of
  > tolerance: "Thou shall not find fault with a
  > brother's views or
  > activities." What a convenience that sort of
  > tolerance would be to
  > lawbreakers in general, if only it could be adopted
  > in the outside world!'
  > 
  > I learned to detest theosophical politics, with
  > their hiding everything
  > that does not redound to the credit of those in
  > power, and their perpetual
  > circles of mutual admiration, but I was left with a
  > high regard for the
  > theosophists scattered over the world as a lovable--
  > albeit most innocent
  > and childlike -- body of people.
  > 
  > It is not here, nor is it there, that pure life or
  > truth shall be found.
  > There are no secret passages to truth. No
  > hocus-pocus of incantations, of
  > word or of the subtler word that is thought, can
  > light or fan the central
  > fire. No establishment can establish it; no
  > communications communicate.
  > 
  > end----"
  > 
  > mkr
  > 
  > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Anton Rozman
  > <anton_rozman@yahoo.com> wrote:
  > 
  > > I am reading and re-reading the message and can
  > not understand how
  > > the International Secretary violated the Rules and
  > Regulations and
  > > compromised the freedom and fairness of the
  > election with the
  > > disclosure of names of those who will except
  > nominations and who not.
  > > More information delivered the better.
  > >
  > > In democracy it is allowed everything what is not
  > specially
  > > prohibited and not the other way round.
  > >
  > > In my view the Election Committee really
  > transcended its authority
  > > with the disclosure of doctors' certificates and
  > accompanying demands
  > > as they were not approved by the Executive
  > Committee. And we can now
  > > see that these certificates are personal messages
  > of doctors and not
  > > official documents of the hospital they work in
  > and that they were
  > > produced especially for this purpose.
  > >
  > > It seems that the message brings opinion that
  > already the candidacy
  > > of the second candidate is a political plot.
  > >
  > > Well, more than that I think that it reveals that
  > the message was not
  > > understood and that the personal interests are
  > more important of
  > > those of the Theosophical Society.
  > >
  > > Anton
  > >
  > >
  > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  > <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
  > > <mkr777@...> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > The plot thickens.
  > > >
  > > > Mary Anderson, in violation of the procedure,
  > has disclosed the
  > > nomination
  > > > information before the deadline as laid down by
  > the election rules
  > > and in
  > > > administrative matters this would be considered
  > official misconduct
  > > leading
  > > > to immediate dismissal. In governmental offices
  > in the USA the
  > > person would
  > > > be convicted for a criminal offense. I am
  > wondering why she is
  > > still there
  > > > as International Secretary and a member of the
  > Election Committee
  > > and GC and
  > > > how can any TS member trust her in any matter
  > going thru her? (No
  > > wonder she
  > > > has not responded to my e-mail.)
  > > >
  > > > Thanks, Pedro. But for your post, we all would
  > to be in the dark
  > > about the
  > > > activities taking place behind closed doors and
  > as far as I know,
  > > none of
  > > > the National Secretaries shared this info with
  > their members, why
  > > would
  > > > they? If this is not compromising the elections
  > from the beginning,
  > > what
  > > > else?
  > > >
  > > > We have talked about the transparency issue and
  > it is why in many
  > > > organizations these kind of information is
  > public knowledge to
  > > prevent
  > > > manipulation to tilt the elections and do a
  > disservice to the
  > > members. None
  > > > of us, theosophists can imagine that this can
  > happen in Adyar. This
  > > is Kali
  > > > Yuga and whom can we trust anymore?
  > > >
  > > > THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH
  > > >
  > > > mkr
  > > >
  > > > PS: I think that the electioneering planning
  > started in December
  > > 2005, yes
  > > > 2005.
  > > >
  > > > mkr
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > On 5/3/08, prmoliveira <prmoliveira@...> wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > > Rule 10 of the Rules of the TS (Adyar)
  > determines, among other
  > > > > things, the following procedure for the
  > election of President:
  > > > >
  > > > > "(b) Immediately on its appointment; the
  > Election Committee shall
  > > > > instruct the Secretary to send out to the
  > members of the General
  > > > > Council a written call for nominations for the
  > office of
  > > President.
  > > > > The call for nominations shall be sent by
  > airmail or other
  > > > > expeditious means if airmail be unavailable,
  > followed one week
  > > later
  > > > > by a second (duplicate) call.
  > > > >
  > > > > (d) At the expiration of ten weeks, the
  > Election Committee shall
  > > > > place all the nominations received, together
  > with the relevant
  > > > > papers, before the Executive Committee at a
  > meeting especially
  > > > > con¬vened for the purpose.
  > > > >
  > > > > At such meeting the Executive Committee shall
  > examine 
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