Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00378)

Hi Adelasie,
yes, something big seems to happen.
But I am not sure if it's for a good end.
Seems the two sides are in death struggle.
The surprise is that many bad, bad things which one would expect, have not 
taken place since yet.
One side wanted more wars against other countries.
Strange things happened to hold it in check.

Yes, the mystical side is important, too.
But we were discussing about the organized ancient wisdom.
It seems that organization is undervalued by most theosophists.

The reason may be that most theosophists have no or wrong ideas about the 
Masters plan over the centuries.
Another reason is the cant about Masters until today.
As far as I know only the (backed out) Point Loma lineage seems to have 
taught levelheaded and true facts about Masters and their co-workers.
Most theosophist seem even not to know the facts about the messengers, who 
they are and what do they do.
That included even historical messengers of hundred yeasr ago!
Seems there is still a lot to learn about the past, not to speak of the 
present critical time - which would need a strong international group of 
illuminated theosophists, fighting active for the white side, as wished by 
HPB - or the future.
Frank

----- Original Message ----- 
From: adelasie
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World The Coming Teacher?


Hi Frank,

It's useful to consider sometimes too, in this connection, that the
Master is a living being within each of us, within all humanity. The
Lodge of Masters is the more highly evolved component of humanity at
large, the Inner Knower, the composite Higher Self of each
individual. The Master, in one sense, does not need to come to the
student. The Master is always there, waiting for the student to allow
the still small voice of the inner world to permeate his
consciousness. The more we try to practice the teachings we respect,
the more we allow that inner consciousness to impinge upon our daily
reality. Without ruling out any possibilities, we can consider that
the great Teacher of humanity in this avataric cycle, the second
Millennium after the cycle of the Christ called Jesus by some, may
have another form, may be an inner manifestation that reaches all
mankind, to the extent it can be received. If we look around our
world and notice the amazing changes and advances in many aspects of
life that have occurred in the last century, we might at least assume
that something big is happening.

Adelasie

On 24 Feb 2008 at 6:40, Frank Reitemeyer wrote:

> Adelasie,
> that's not wrong.
>
> But other than some in the Adyar TS and ULT believe, the Masters do not 
> stop
> working, having a break and then work again.
> The "machine" is always working and they send always their co-workers out,
> whether we know it or not.
>
> The master comes, when the pupil is ready.
> Those theosophists (and I know a lot, which think so), who think, that 
> they
> can wait, until an adept comes into their living room, asking for support,
> fail.
> They can wait until the Day-come-to-us.
>
> Those, who think, all is done, HPB did all the work needed for the next
> cycle and nothing is left over to be worked out, justify just their
> laziness.
> HPB had greater things in mind than the TS. Even a Rene Guenon understood
> this.
> Why not theosophists, too?
> Frank
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: adelasie
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World The Coming Teacher?
>
>
> Friends,
>
> Perhaps we could consider the possibility of the "teacher" of the
> present 2000 year avataric cycle is the heart of humanity itself. If
> we accept that we, the collective race, are at a crossroads in our
> evolution, that we have reached the make or break it time, and that
> the impulse of the avataric message has been given to the hearts of
> all mankind, then we may be able to see that the opportunity is
> available to all. Can we live a life of altruism? Can we be examples
> to the world's disenfranchised, those who suffer the retribution of
> eons of man's inhumanity to man? Can we make a decision to practice
> brotherhood, the Golden Rule of antiquity, handed down to us in these
> pivotal times as a guidepost? If I would not want others to do so to
> me, then I will not do so to them? Can we realise, and behave
> accordingly, that all life is one, that the least of us has the power
> to affect the greatest? It's worth a try.
>
> Adelasie
>
> On 24 Feb 2008 at 3:17, nhcareyta wrote:
>
> > Dear Frank
> >
> > Thank you for your reply.
> >
> > Mr Schuller wrote, "On September 7, 1875, Helena
> > Petrovna Blavatsky and Henry Steel Olcott founded
> > the Theosophical Society.
> > They were directed to do so by two eastern Adepts
> > or Masters, Morya and Koot Hoomi.(1) Besides its
> > three official objects (1a), the mission of the
> > Theosophical Society was to prepare the world for
> > the coming of a great spiritual teacher, expected
> > in the last quarter of the 20th century."
> >
> > When I agreed with your statement, they "did not...worked
> > towards the 1975 messenger" you wrote, "not so" and
> > introduced that Dr Purucker, Iverson Harris and Emmett
> > Small taught and wrote about this.
> >
> > If this is what Dr Purucker or others said years after the death of
> > Madame Blavatsky then I respectfully disagree with their
> > interpretation.
> >
> > Mr Schuller is referring to Madame Blavatsky and her
> > teachers "mission" through the formation of the
> > Theosophical Society by virtue of the substantiating
> > quote he uses from the Key to Theosophy, and the word
> > "was" in the sentence quoted.
> >
> > So reiterating, I don't accept the premise that the
> > deliberate "mission" of Madame Blavatsky and her
> > teachers' Theosophical Society was to "...prepare the
> > world for the coming of a great spiritual teacher."
> >
> > My concern is one of emphasis.
> >
> > Where Madame Blavatsky referred to the possibility of
> > a "new torch-bearer of Truth" it was in the following
> > terms:
> >
> > "If the present attempt, in the form of our Society,
> > succeeds better than its predecessors have done..."
> >
> > Please note the word "if."
> >
> > And:
> >
> > "If the Theosophical Society survives and lives true
> > to its mission, to its original impulses through the
> > next hundred years..."
> >
> > Note again the word "if."
> >
> > In other words, if the Society (members) abides by
> > its objects (those of 1889) and lives up to its
> > "mission" of alleviating suffering, and popularizing
> > "...a knowledge of theosophy" (their version of theosophy)
> > then possibly, a new teacher may arrive.
> >
> > As the next passage confirms:
> >
> > "In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed,
> > and far better fitted, may be sent by the Masters
> > of Wisdom..." S.D Vol 1 "Introduction"
> >
> > Please note the word "may."
> >
> > So whichever way we perceive it, there were/are many
> > conditions attached to the arrival of a new teacher.
> >
> > From my perspective then Madame Blavatsky and her
> > teachers' "mission" through their Theosophical
> > Society was not specific preparation for the arrival
> > of a new teacher 100 years hence, despite the cyclic
> > potential for this to occur.
> >
> > They and their Society were working with the conditions
> > of the day and they knew that karma would decide
> > whether or not there would be another attempt a century
> > later.
> >
> > It was and is for each of us as Theosophical students,
> > and humanity as a whole, to earn whatever arises pursuant
> > to the law of karma, not to look forward to a future
> > teacher or saviour as Mr Schuller's and others' emphasis
> > may construe in the minds of many.
> >
> > This perception of what Madame Blavatsky wrote can
> > lead to many unhelpful attitudes and practices
> > including the potential for a messianic craze such
> > as happened in the Adyar Theosophical Society.
> >
> > I suspect the same danger lurks to this day.
> >
> > Regards
> > Nigel
> >
> >
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