Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00377)

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Too boisterous....??
To "theosophists", who are in their seventies or eighties, one can be 
boisterous - or a black magician - if one asks a sinple question.
I have made the experiences in the various groups, which are dominated by 
women - that espicially theosophical women fight the spirit, whereever they 
detect him.
They don't like to think and don't want other people think. They like no 
questions and they like no deeds.
Just emotional enthusing, blind belief and waiting for a master.
In other words: a replacement church.

Seems a strange karma that theosophists of today obviously need to survive 
the organized theosophy, which in most parts is destructive and directed to 
the lower self.
Frank

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Martin
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in


Humble me was invited into Theosophy in '75, then
worked from '76 till '80 as a volunteer in the
European Headquarters in The Hague; then I was sent
away with the reason I was too boisterous.
In fact I had devoted my career to become a printer
and work for spreading Theosophy ( I was 16 in '75).
Things worked out the worst and those people from The
Hague calling themselves my friends had just left me
alone in my disappointments, I was taken into a
nuthouse afterwards in 1981 but survived. If it wasn't
for my real Self I would have become the worst
adversary of the Theosophical Society after this
period of my life, but thanks to mySelf I remained
into the same spirit of Theosphy...

--- Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> IMO you're right Nigel concerning the information
> age, which I wasn't thinking of at the time. Wasn't
> it in 1975 that Bill Gates registered Microsoft.
> Cass
>
> nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Dear Cass
>
> Points well made.
>
> In addition have we thought much about the dawning
> of the "information age" with computers and the
> internet.
>
> Was this part of their "effort?"
>
> On the jnana path, information leads to knowledge;
> and knowledge to awakening.
>
> And what would be the need for a messiah figure with
>
> all this information extant, other than to relieve
> the
> burdensome task of thinking and doing the work for
> ourselves?
>
> Kind regards
> Nigel
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva
> <silva_cass@...> wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps the problem is that Theosophists are
> looking for a new
> Blavatsky. As she said, lesser messengers will come
> with their
> contribution to spritual wakefullness. I think we
> can see this in
> the West with the acceptance of eastern
> methodolgies, e.g. yoga,
> reiki, tai-chi,healers, all practices contribute to
> an overall
> awareness that we are not just the body!
> >
> > Cass
> >
> > Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@...> wrote:
> > To all readers
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > There is - one more - quote from HPB about what
> will happen in the
> years after 1975.
> > I think with an organisation awaiting his arrival
> as HPB puts it in
> the below, - one will have to stop believeing it to
> be the fact, that
> the number of persons involved in this are more than
> a few science
> intellectuals:
> >
> > "...that during the last quarter of every hundred
> years an attempt
> is made by those "Masters," of whom I have spoken,
> to help on the
> spiritual progress of Humanity in a marked and
> definite way. Towards
> the close of each century you will invariably find
> that an outpouring
> or upheaval of spirituality -- or call it mysticism
> if you prefer -- 
> has taken place. Some one or more persons have
> appeared in the world
> as their agents, and a greater or less amount of
> occult knowledge and
> teaching has been given out. If you care to do so,
> you can trace
> these movements back, century by century, as far as
> our detailed
> historical records extend...If the present attempt,
> in the form of
> our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors
> have done, then it
> will be in existence as an organized, living and
> healthy body when
> the time 307 comes for the effort of the XXth
> century. The general
> condition of men's minds and hearts will have been
> improved and
> purified by the spread of its teachings,
> > and, as I have said, their prejudices and dogmatic
> illusions will
> have been, to some extent at least, removed. Not
> only so, but besides
> a large and accessible literature ready to men's
> hands, the next
> impulse will find a numerous and united body of
> people ready to
> welcome the new torch-bearer of Truth. He will find
> the minds of men
> prepared for his message, a language ready for him
> in which to clothe
> the new truths he brings, an organization awaiting
> his arrival, which
> will remove the merely mechanical, material
> obstacles and
> difficulties from his path. Think how much one, to
> whom such an
> opportunity is given, could accomplish. Measure it
> by comparison with
> what the Theosophical Society actually has achieved
> in the last
> fourteen years, without any of these advantages and
> surrounded by
> hosts of hindrances which would not hamper the new
> leader. Consider
> all this, and then tell me whether I am too sanguine
> when I say that
> if the Theosophical Society survives and lives true
> to
> > its mission, to its original impulses through the
> next hundred
> years? Tell me, I say, if I go too far in asserting
> that earth will
> be a heaven in the twenty-first century in
> comparison with what it is
> now!
> > (H. P. Blavatsky's book "Key to Theosophy", s.
> 306-7. English
> edition, Italics added.)
> >
> > So HPB said in the above: "Think how much one, to
> whom such an
> opportunity is given, could accomplish. Measure it
> by comparison with
> what the Theosophical Society actually has achieved
> in the last
> fourteen years, without any of these advantages and
> surrounded by
> hosts of hindrances which would not hamper the new
> leader."
> >
> > So I guess I will just have to disagree with you
> about the
> importance of the numbers who receives the message
> Frank. I think it
> is not just me, who talk about it. As we can see HPB
> also did it. A
> high initiate will exactly be able to deliver a
> message about truth
> and theosophy, and will be able to reach thousands
> and tens of
> thousands with the proper message.
> >
> > But of course if you are right a spiritual
> outpouring coming from
> the Masters will only affect a very few persons.
> > Some how I find my self disagreeing with this
> view.
> >
> > Frank wrote:
> > "You stick to much in forms rather than ideas."
> >
> > I am afraid you misunderstand, what I am talking
> about.
> > I am exactly sticking to "ideas" or rather what we
> call "spiritual
> impact".
> > The level of "spiritual impact" are always related
> to the number of
> persons affected by the impact.
> >
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Frank Reitemeyer
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in
> >
> > Morten,
> > I will not disturb your comfort and your
> conviction that you are
> right, but
> > to answer your additional question:
> > We do not talk about for how many persons the
> ultimate proofs were
> given.
> > It's just you. To me it's not important. HPB did
> not write about
> quantities.
> > Important is that this proofs were given.
> > I believe this predicted proofs are connected with
> the
> guruparampara, which
> > was launched by HPB.
> > You may consider the first aim of the TS: To form
> a nucleus, not to
> form a
> > crowd as much as possible.
>
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