Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00293)

Morten,
I will not disturb your comfort and your conviction that you are right, but 
to answer your additional question:
We do not talk about for how many persons the ultimate proofs were given.
It's just you. To me it's not important. HPB did not write about quantities.
Important is that this proofs were given.
I believe this predicted proofs are connected with the guruparampara, which 
was launched by HPB.
You may consider the first aim of the TS: To form a nucleus, not to form a 
crowd as much as possible.

As to the intellectual and spiritual level: This group of persons obviously 
cannot be very big, because most people were not fit.
Not even in the broad Theosophical Movement many theosophists were (and so 
until today) ready.
There are lineages within the TM which would even reject that there were 
other messengers than HPB.
Most people - including theosophical circles - do not even understand the 
newspaper.

So what would they gain when they would hear of a knowledge far advanced 
from their own point of view?
So, logically, it could only be few. Even HPB's last book of the Golden 
rules is dedicated to the few.
What then about teachings which go beyond that book?
What does it matter, to how many people the proofs were given?
I think you simply did not understand my opinion about the Masters plan.

You stick to much in forms rather than ideas.

Although only few theosophists may be ready, there may be probably some out 
there who think about 2075.
Best
Frank


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Morten Nymann Olesen
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in



I understand, that I was to be given such an answer to my questions.
I will rest in comfort, that my views are most likely true.

You could consider the following questions and then consider why I answered 
like I did:
If one is to give others irrefutable proof of Gupta Vidya, who would they 
be?
How many persons are we at least talking about? And what kind of proof would 
be required so we could call it irrefutable?

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Frank Reitemeyer
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World - Fools rush in

1.
Frank wrote:
"So, from the logic point of view, HPB was refering to her occult successor
in the Tibeto-Dzyan-transmission line."

That is not logic. That was not what H. P. Blavatsky said.
H. P. Blavatsky said: "In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed,
and far better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final
and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-Vidya"

That is "irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-Vidya".
This proof would be given by a disciple more informed and far better fitted,
than who? Logically a person more informed and better fitted Than H. P.
Blavatsky herself. And that is why such a person much likely would be known
to the public, and not a person whom only a very few would learn about!
This is a more likely view than the one you prefer to emphasise.
What "irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-Vidya" are
better than to show people it all through action and to be an example to
tohers?

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Morten,
yes, the disciple would be more informed and better fitted than Blavatsky,
therefore she could have been meant the 1975 messenger, but rather a chela
in the gurparampara.
As you can see, you have missed be point, for I was refering to that logic
before, the logic which you reject and at the same time you admit it.

But HPB never said, that and how much this disciple which would be send to
the West, would be known to the public. That is but your - unbased -
interpretation, not HPB's meaning.

She also says nothing about the quantity of people who could learn from it.
That is your - unbased - interpretation, too.

And I am sorry to say, that HPB does not say anything about the time frame
she had in mind. It can be relatively few people from the time of getting
started, but in the course of time - and Masters think in centuries, a
mantra GdeP always used - after decades or centuries the quantity could grow
much from such a nucleus. So, it's but your interpretation, too.

HPB writes only that this proofs will be given, she gives no time line for
publication. She hints rather to a time capsule.

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2.
Frank wrote:
"Sai Baba may be a fine teacher for some people, but he is certainly not
trained in the Dzyan school and therefore no messenger of the Dzyan and
Masters and Wisdom and Peace."

You claim a lot here. Do you know who Sathya Sai Baba is?
What are you basing your views in the above on?
Why should your view be given any validity at all?
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I claim nothing. I just share my opinion with you.
My view has only the validity someone gives.
You are free to believe what you want.
I do the same.

Best
Frank

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