Theos-Talk Archives (February 2008 Message tt00075)

Good points.
There is another angle to all these things. For one who is not exposed to
the doctrines dealing with man/woman his/her past/future, theory of Karma
etc. some of these cruelties are not obvious and apparent and due to their
ignorance they will have a lot lesser personal responsibility when they
tolerate or engage in them. For those of us who have been exposed to these
doctrines governing the life etc., we may have to be be aware of a lot
higher responsibility and our actions are likely to be "rewarded"
accordingly. This makes it all the more important that we should all think
about these issues and act in the best manner that one feels fit. After all
we are responsible to ourselves.

mkr


On 2/10/08, Martin <Mvandertak@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Good comment, let me add the following:
>
> One can never, never judge someone elses choices; the
> LAW in Nature is free choice. As long as it is in
> harmony with oneself and others, it could be worthy to
> be an example for others. In the end of the day people
> useually make choices based on the experiences of
> others.
> To find a way through society these days is simple:
> stick to your own choices, which are maybe based on
> the experiences of others and use your intuition to
> seperate wrong from right. A lead here is, since we
> live in a manifestation, not in a pralaya, to live a
> creative life in a harmonic way, so your life style
> could be an example to others as well.
> My 2 cnts
>
> --- adelasie <adelasie@sbcglobal.net <adelasie%40sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
> > Friends,
> >
> > What a tangle we humans have created with our
> > age-long determination
> > to control nature. There are people who say I should
> > let my horses go
> > free when actually that would be pretty cruel, since
> > they have always
> > relied on humans to feed and protect them and there
> > is noplace for
> > them to go in this area. Occultism pleads for a
> > natural life, but it
> > is quite a challenge for the modern occultist to
> > discover what is
> > natural in our times. Perhaps if we begin with a
> > devotion to basic
> > principles, unity of all life, compassion, altruism,
> > harmlessness,
> > and apply them to each individual situation, we can
> > find our way. We
> > cannot solve all the problems singlehandedly, but we
> > can do a lot by
> > being an example to others of a more mindful and
> > heartfelt approach
> > to life in all its facets. We can also find a way to
> > understand the
> > situation that confronts us without being
> > judgemental of others.
> > After all, whatever situation or condition we must
> > endure was created
> > by ourselves. Ultimately we are responsible for that
> > which we now
> > condemn, so we are the only ones who can undo the
> > harm.
> >
> > Adelasie
> >
> > On 10 Feb 2008 at 5:57, MKR wrote:
> >
> > > In our office building, there are couple of family
> > counsellors and they are
> > > busy. We see them busy. This indicates a constant
> > battle goes on every day
> > > with many many. So the wars are just an external
> > manifestation.
> > >
> > > On the issue of killing animals for food,
> > unfortunately all the dirty
> > > cruelty it out of sight so out of mind. I wonder
> > how many of us who eat meat
> > > are capable of ourselves killing the animals we
> > eat? Not many. First time
> > > you kill an animal with your own hands and see the
> > cruelty and suffering,
> > > you may change your ideas about the animals
> > sacrificing themselves for our
> > > benefit. Even a visit to a slaughterhouse will
> > change your mind. In the past
> > > high schools would take the students to tour
> > slaughterhouses. No more. Many
> > > of the students never again ate meat after they
> > saw with their own eyes.
> > >
> > > mkr
> > >
> > > On 2/10/08, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo.com.au<nhcareyta%40yahoo.com.au>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > War does not begin on the battlefield, it begins
> > in the mind of man.
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > > > <mkr777@...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > While we speak of the cruelty to animals, we
> > should also keep in
> > > > mind the
> > > > > maiming, death and destruction casued in wars
> > and sacrificing of
> > > > healthy
> > > > > young men and women for the sake of "world
> > peace", "national
> > > > security",
> > > > > "democrary", "freedom", "emancipation of
> > women" etc. Also when we
> > > > look at
> > > > > people (even theosophists) who organize
> > treatments/therapies for
> > > > those
> > > > > coming back from war with mental problems,
> > these are the same
> > > > people who say
> > > > > not a word about the war itself which is the
> > root cause of all these
> > > > > suffering. This reminds me of the comments of
> > Ted Turner, the guy
> > > > who
> > > > > started CNN said before the war -- it is the
> > dumbest thing to do
> > > > and he
> > > > > repeated it even recently.
> > > > >
> > > > > mkr
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2/9/08, adelasie <adelasie@...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Interesting comparison, Cass,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...as barbaric as a savage eating the heart
> > of a lion to transfer
> > > > its
> > > > > > strength to the eater.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The "savages" might have known more than we
> > do about the unity of
> > > > all
> > > > > > life. To pray to the animal to come so that
> > the people might be
> > > > fed,
> > > > > > or the courage might be shared, to use all
> > the parts of the animal
> > > > > > for goods that would be made by hand, the
> > only source of such
> > > > goods,
> > > > > > to express gratitude to the animal for its
> > sacrifice, to face the
> > > > > > animal on foot with hand made weapons, this
> > presents quite a
> > > > > > different scenario. Now we use technology to
> > create weapons that
> > > > no
> > > > > > animal could survive. Do we use all the
> > parts of the animal and
> > > > waste
> > > > > > nothing? Do we express our gratitude to
> > another life form for its
> > > > > > sacrifice that we may live? Do we kill an
> > animal so that our tribe
> > > > > > can survive? Or are we motivated by profit
> > above all?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems reasonable to realize that the
> > Japanese are not the only
> > > > > > nation engaged in some such activity. Maybe
> > we are the "savages."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Adelasie
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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