Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00859)

Jake, 


Baseless, groundless charges are cowardice. Slanders. 


Carlos. 


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Mark Jaqua <proto37@...> wrote:
>
> RE  ULT MILLION$ & ALTRUISM
> 
> 
> Carlos writes (Dec. 21):  "That does 
> NOT mean cash money. It is better to 
> think a little bit and to get real 
> information, before jumping into conclusions."
> 
> 
>    Well, Heck Carlos, you should take 
> your own advice, and quit shooting from 
> the hip.  Tillet's email itself said 
> that in 2004 ULT Los Angeles claimed of 
> the $6.1 million... "Its income was approx. 
> $1.3 million, and it owned land and 
> buildings to the value of approx. $666,000."  
> This is likely no longer the group you 
> admired in your mind.  Garrangues, I think, 
> used his own money to publish books, and 
> I believe a fund was started for years 
> to publish _The Secret Doctrine_
> 
> 
>     Depending on what part of Los Angeles 
> one is referring to, the property values 
> have gone way down, as well as way up 
> - but there is no point here, as assets 
> were about $5.5 million OVER the value 
> of the buildings.  The money-people always 
> go for the money, the "money-people" are 
> PRIMARILY money-people, not Theosophists.  
> All the original Theosophical organizations 
> were altruistic and short-of-money - I 
> doubt any of them are now.  All the 
> half-dozen or so of spiritual-type 
> individuals I've personally most admired 
> in my life were very poor, even impoverished.  
> There is a connection here.  Give someone 
> a few million bucks and 99% will almost 
> automatically loose most their spiritual 
> orientation.  Its a natural reaction, and 
> probably the reason for the "vow of poverty"
> in Buddhism.  Its the lower manas.
> 
> 
>     Wake up people - having 6 million in 
> assets for a small group - IS NOT THEOSOPHY.  
> The Theosophical Movement has become 
> sterile.  If one wants to really wake up, 
> take on some personally devised and 
> implemented altruistic work, and if he 
> survives, and doesn't become a fool, he 
> will learn something very important.  
> (Of course most of us are just trying to 
> survive ourselves.)  This is a way of 
> finding out again what Theosophy is really 
> about, and it provides the real life-blood 
> of any movement.  The real center of the
> Theosophical Movement is Individuals, not
> groups, as always.s
> 
> 
>     Also - if a Lodge building has its 
> property value greatly increased over 
> the years, beyond the value of the location 
> for theosophist - it seems it is time 
> to move, and put the money to ALTRUISTIC WORK.
> 
> 
>      MKR - Interesting what you say about 
> non-profits not even having to publish 
> what they do with the money.  Perhaps 
> "Theosophy Company" as separate from ULT, 
> is a business and not a non-profit.
> 
>            - jake j.
> 
> 
>  
> 
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> <6a. The Theosophy Company
>     Posted by: "gregory@..."
> gregory@... 
>     Date: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:55 pm ((PST))
> 
> <Documents lodged for taxation purposes 
> by The Theosophy Company for 2004 shed 
> some light on that organization. Its 
> directors were: Wesley Amerman (President), 
> Joseph Martin (Vice-President), W. Dallas 
> TenBroeck (Secretary), Rosemary Jourdan 
> (Assistant Secretary), Colin Baker, Howard 
> McOwen, Joseph Rudison, Lavera Samuels, 
> Carolyn Van Horn and Valerie TenBroeck. 
> 
> 
> <At the beginning of the year it had 
> assets of approx. $6.1 million, and 
> by the end of the year approx. $4.9 million. 
> Some $627,000 had been <transferred to the 
> ULT of New York. The Theosophy Company 
> paid some $160,000 in salaries (although 
> none of the Directors received payments).
> 
> 
> <Its income was approx. $1.3 million, 
> and it owned land and buildings to
> the value of approx. $666,000. There 
> were loans of approx. $110,000 outstanding 
> to three named, but otherwise undescribed 
> individuals.
> 
> <Dr Gregory Tillett
> 
> 
> --------------
> <6b. Re: The Theosophy Company
>     Posted by: "samblo@..." samblo@... 
>     Date: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:08 pm ((PST))
> 
> <Gregory,
>     Thanks, it is interesting. I wonder 
> "why" New York ULT received the $627.000 
> transfer? Is there a tax record for the 
> New York ULT? There looks to be some 
> $303,000 difference remaining unmentioned 
> as regards the $1.2 million change in 
> assets of 2004 after $897,000 of stated 
> expenses and disbursements are deducted.
> 
> <John
> 
> 
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