Theos-Talk Archives (December 2006 Message tt00856)

Jake,

Now you get yourself to be an accounting professional and financial analyst.

But you should know, first, that there is no one named "Garangues" in the History of the ULT; and second, that your mediumnistic powers to judge the ULT finances at a distance - certainly helped  by a couple of nice elementals - are still failing. 


Regards,  Carlos. 



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Data:Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:26:46 -0800 (PST)

Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re ULT Million$ & Altruism

> RE ULT MILLION$ & ALTRUISM
> 
> 
> Carlos writes (Dec. 21): "That does 
> NOT mean cash money. It is better to 
> think a little bit and to get real 
> information, before jumping into conclusions."
> 
> 
> Well, Heck Carlos, you should take 
> your own advice, and quit shooting from 
> the hip. Tillet's email itself said 
> that in 2004 ULT Los Angeles claimed of 
> the $6.1 million... "Its income was approx. 
> $1.3 million, and it owned land and 
> buildings to the value of approx. $666,000." 
> This is likely no longer the group you 
> admired in your mind. Garrangues, I think, 
> used his own money to publish books, and 
> I believe a fund was started for years 
> to publish _The Secret Doctrine_
> 
> 
> Depending on what part of Los Angeles 
> one is referring to, the property values 
> have gone way down, as well as way up 
> - but there is no point here, as assets 
> were about $5.5 million OVER the value 
> of the buildings. The money-people always 
> go for the money, the "money-people" are 
> PRIMARILY money-people, not Theosophists. 
> All the original Theosophical organizations 
> were altruistic and short-of-money - I 
> doubt any of them are now. All the 
> half-dozen or so of spiritual-type 
> individuals I've personally most admired 
> in my life were very poor, even impoverished. 
> There is a connection here. Give someone 
> a few million bucks and 99% will almost 
> automatically loose most their spiritual 
> orientation. Its a natural reaction, and 
> probably the reason for the "vow of poverty"
> in Buddhism. Its the lower manas.
> 
> 
> Wake up people - having 6 million in 
> assets for a small group - IS NOT THEOSOPHY. 
> The Theosophical Movement has become 
> sterile. If one wants to really wake up, 
> take on some personally devised and 
> implemented altruistic work, and if he 
> survives, and doesn't become a fool, he 
> will learn something very important. 
> (Of course most of us are just trying to 
> survive ourselves.) This is a way of 
> finding out again what Theosophy is really 
> about, and it provides the real life-blood 
> of any movement. The real center of the
> Theosophical Movement is Individuals, not
> groups, as always.s
> 
> 
> Also - if a Lodge building has its 
> property value greatly increased over 
> the years, beyond the value of the location 
> for theosophist - it seems it is time 
> to move, and put the money to ALTRUISTIC WORK.
> 
> 
> MKR - Interesting what you say about 
> non-profits not even having to publish 
> what they do with the money. Perhaps 
> "Theosophy Company" as separate from ULT, 
> is a business and not a non-profit.
> 
> - jake j.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------
> <6a. The Theosophy Company
> Posted by: "gregory@zeta.org.au"
> gregory@zeta.org.au 
> Date: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:55 pm ((PST))
> 
> 
> by The Theosophy Company for 2004 shed 
> some light on that organization. Its 
> directors were: Wesley Amerman (President), 
> Joseph Martin (Vice-President), W. Dallas 
> TenBroeck (Secretary), Rosemary Jourdan 
> (Assistant Secretary), Colin Baker, Howard 
> McOwen, Joseph Rudison, Lavera Samuels, 
> Carolyn Van Horn and Valerie TenBroeck. 
> 
> 
> 
> assets of approx. $6.1 million, and 
> by the end of the year approx. $4.9 million. 
> Some $627,000 had been 
> ULT of New York. The Theosophy Company 
> paid some $160,000 in salaries (although 
> none of the Directors received payments).
> 
> 
> 
> and it owned land and buildings to
> the value of approx. $666,000. There 
> were loans of approx. $110,000 outstanding 
> to three named, but otherwise undescribed 
> individuals.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------
> <6b. Re: The Theosophy Company
> Posted by: "samblo@cs.com" samblo@cs.com 
> Date: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:08 pm ((PST))
> 
> 
> Thanks, it is interesting. I wonder 
> "why" New York ULT received the $627.000 
> transfer? Is there a tax record for the 
> New York ULT? There looks to be some 
> $303,000 difference remaining unmentioned 
> as regards the $1.2 million change in 
> assets of 2004 after $897,000 of stated 
> expenses and disbursements are deducted.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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