Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt01244)

Konstantin,

Thanks.

It is consensus, see Clara Codd's book for example, that St. Germain as 18th century incarnation was not a full Adept. 

Besides, it is a firm consensus and common knowledge that only disciples, and never Adepts, mix with public and political/social events in the way St. Germain (or Cagliostro) interfered.

The reason for that is that an Adept is outside short term human karma and he is not willing to go against evolution and go back in his path. 

This is also a key concept to understand the necessary Autonomy of the Disciple. 

In the ML, Masters explain that if Disciples were not Autonomous and Responsible for their own actions, the Karma would belong to their Teachers, and not to them. 

Therefore St. Germain, who strongly interacted with political, public and social issues, was not an Adept. 

The incarnation in which an Initiate will get the decisive initiation needs to be a new one. Magnetical reasons included. 

Besides, the Leadbeaterian ritualistic fancies, ascribed to St. Germain, clash in substance and content with the Masters' teachings, while we know that the Teachings of different Masters never clash except in wording. 

Finally, you can see that the large amount of wild ritualisticfancies (including the ER) created by poor Leadbeater and ascribed to "St. Germain" were no more than fancies, while  an Adept does not do that kind of thing. 

So,  you see there is a mass of hints and evidences about that. 

Regards,  Carlos. 




 

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Data:Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:31:35 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: St. Germain Not Leadbeaterian, At All

> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
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> > Rakoczi is a name which also corresponds to the same incarnation as 
> "St. Germain".
> 
> As far I know, nor Leadbeater neither any other theosophical author 
> who regards St. Germain an adept, didn't hold an opinion that he died 
> in the end of 18th century.
> Leadbeater when wrote about 1911 meant certainly the same incarnation.
> 
> From the other sources we can conclude that St. Germain was an adept 
> already in 18th century, otherwise it would be hard to explain how the 
> old ladies recognized in him a man whom they knew in their youth, and 
> still looking young when they were already old.
> 
> So Leadbeater had to need to invent any new names and incarnations.
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