Re: CWL faked "Killing Indians"
Nov 14, 2006 01:18 PM
by christinaleestemaker
So what about all thios nonsense than???????????????/
Like a bad soap for stupids.
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> Christina,
>
> Thanks. Nice dialogue.
>
> First, CWL never went to Brazil or S. America.
>
> No one who ever studied the issue (Gregory Tillett, Joy Mills,
etc.) admits that hypothesis.
>
> Second, since he never went there, what was the psychological need
for him to invent this story? Does Freud explain those violent
fancies?
>
> Third, one who really has to kill in self-defense will never brag
about that. If he narrates the episode, he will to that in a sober
way, lamenting the need to kill.
>
> Fourth, a novelist is supposed to research the country where the
novel is based. Social conditions described by CWL are absolutely
incompatible with the reality of facts, which makes of him a poor
story-teller.
>
> Regards, Carlos.
>
>
>
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> Cópia:
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> Data:Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:25:01 -0000
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> Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: CWL and the Idea of "Inferior
Ethnical Groups"
>
> > Never heared about self defending?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Christina,
> > >
> > > Hi. Thanks again.
> > >
> > > Well, CWL could not kill everyone. But he tried.
> > >
> > > Whether we believe or not his false statement that the story
is
> > true, the fact remains that Leadbeater says, with pride and
clearly,
> > that he killed lots of indigenous people. In the narration,
there
> > is a sense of pleasure in killing.
> > >
> > > His racism -- something rather pioneer to nazism -- is also
> > undeniable. The concept of "inferior people", as "inferior
ethnical
> > groups", is there and it is outstanding. For him, there is not
much
> > trouble in killing those "primitive beings".
> > >
> > > Something more akin to nazism than to Theosophy, perhaps.
> > >
> > > Al the best, Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Cópia:
> > >
> > > Data:Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:53:30 -0000
> > >
> > > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: CWL The revenge from Perfume of
> > Egypt.
> > >
> > > > Also Leadbeater could not kill the killer of his brother
Gerald
> > look
> > > > at page 262.
> > > >
> > > > Christina
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have the same book and I stay saying Leadbeater have
nothing
> > to
> > > > do
> > > > > with racism and all things said about him.
> > > > > That you see that different, say something about you.
> > > > > Christina.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christina,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As my written references say, I am working with the
> > > > > India/Adyar/TPH 1978 edition of "The Perfume".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is all there, the rascism, the contempt for black
people,
> > for
> > > > > indigenous people, the lack of basic information about the
> > > > profound
> > > > > ethnic mixing which is the main characteristic in Brazil
and
> > in a
> > > > > great part of Latin America...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The pride in killing people with firearms...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Data:Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:56:38 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: CWL AGAINST
BLACK/INDIGENOUS
> > > > PEOPLES
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -I have no quest book , but the original from TPH Adyar
> > > > > > > Other question:
> > > > > > > If we read the conqueror stories of that Red
> > Indians,Spains
> > > > and
> > > > > so
> > > > > > > on who conquered South America,are they good civilized
> > people?
> > > > > > > Also the whites are not always, the only thing I can
say
> > > > > Leadbeater
> > > > > > > better could not write is that the blank is the
superior
> > race.
> > > > > > > That is not at all.
> > > > > > > Christina
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "'Cuervo'" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carlos - Christina et al -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The publishing policy at Quest Books initiated by
Helen
> > > > Zahara
> > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > she came around 1970 was to edit out all negative
racial
> > and
> > > > > > > ethnic
> > > > > > > > comments, especially in the writings of Leadbeater,
> > though I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > > also in Jinarajadasa's introductory book on
Theosophy.
> > There
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > examples in most of CWL's writings, but it is
difficult
> > to
> > > > > find
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > originals of some to compare with.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ken
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Christina,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please look at the pages 167 and 168 of your "The
> > Perfume
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > Egypt", TPH 1978 edition, and you will find these
> > quotations
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > comment below:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ooooooooo
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Leadbeater says about "red indians":
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Of these many tribes had adopted a kind of
squalid
> > > > > > > civilization,
> > > > > > > > but many others were still savages untamed and
> > untamable ?
> > > > men
> > > > > who
> > > > > > > > regarded work of any kind as the deepest
degradation ?
> > who
> > > > > hated
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > white man with a traditional, unrelenting hatred,
and
> > > > (strange
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > may seen) more than reciprocated the boundless
contempt
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > blue-
> > > > > > > > blooded hidalgo of Spain. It will be no doubt
> > > > incomprehensible
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > many of us that a half-naked savage can entertain
any
> > other
> > > > > > > feeling
> > > > > > > > than envy for our superior civilization, however
much he
> > may
> > > > > > > dislike
> > > > > > > > us; but I can only say that the quite genuine and
> > unaffected
> > > > > > > feeling
> > > > > > > > of the Red Indian towards the white man is pure and
> > > > > unmitigated
> > > > > > > > contempt."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But CWL proceeds (p. 168) to develop his
unbrotherly
> > view
> > > > of
> > > > > > > human
> > > > > > > > beings:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Then came the negro race ? no inconsiderable
portion
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > populations, and chiefly in a state of slavery,
though
> > the
> > > > > > > > Government was doing all in its power to remove that
> > curse
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > territories; and last and worst came what were
called
> > the
> > > > half-
> > > > > > > > breeds or half-castes ? a mixed race which seemed,
as
> > mixed
> > > > > races
> > > > > > > > sometimes do, to combine all the worst qualities of
both
> > its
> > > > > > > parent
> > > > > > > > stocks. Indians, Spaniards, and Negro alike despised
> > them;
> > > > and
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > in turn regarded all alike with a virulent hatred."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We can see in these words some strong `pioneer
> > elements'
> > > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > future ideologies of Nazism and Fascism, and
ultimately
> > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > mass-
> > > > > > > > murder attemtps of "ethnic cleansing". Look at it
again:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > " (...) and last and worst came what were called
the
> > half-
> > > > > breeds
> > > > > > > > or half-castes ? a mixed race which seemed (...) to
> > combine
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > worst qualities of both its parent stocks."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is Leadbeater.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Brazil has been from the very beginning a
> > miscigenation
> > > > > people
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > indigenous people here never present resintence or
hated
> > the
> > > > > white
> > > > > > > > people. Their culture was too primitive for that,
say.
> > We
> > > > have
> > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > had important racial tensions or hatred in Brazil,
aas
> > such,
> > > > > > > though
> > > > > > > > there was social violence.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Miscigenation is part of the preparation for the
next
> > sub-
> > > > > race,
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > HPB writes in the "Secret Doctrine".
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Para:"theos-talk" theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cópia:"carlosaveline" carlosaveline@
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Data:Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:00:40 -0300
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World CWL AGAINST BLACK AND
> > > > INDIGENOUS
> > > > > > > PEOPLES
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This is about Bishop Leadbeater and his
imaginary
> > > > > adventures
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > South America.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > C. Jinarajadasa believed he was there with
> > Leadbeater in
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > previous body, and that he was his biological
younger
> > > > brother,
> > > > > who
> > > > > > > > was allegedly killed and 'rediscovered' by CWL in
> > Ceylon.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In fact, in a footnote to his autobiographical
> > Postface
> > > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > book "The Seven Veils of Consciousness", C.
Jinarajadasa
> > > > > states
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > that the true story of his own "previous (and
glorious)
> > > > death
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Brazil" is narrated in the chapter "Saved by a
Ghost",
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > book "The Perfume of Egypt" (2).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > C.J. believed everything CWL said, and he also
> > writes in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > note that the same old silver crucifix which is
> > mentioned in
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > story was in his possession, as he wrote "The Seven
> > Veils of
> > > > > > > > Consciousness".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As to Leadbeater, in the preface of his 'The
Perfume
> > of
> > > > > > > Egypt",
> > > > > > > > he makes a solemn statement:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "The stories in this book happen to be true."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Along "Saved By a Ghost", the longest story of
the
> > > > volume,
> > > > > > > > Leadbeater proudly describes how he killed numerous
> > black
> > > > > people
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > indigenous people in South America during his youth.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Of course, common sense says that the story is
as
> > > > illusory
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > > the visits Leabeater made to physical plane
> > civilizations in
> > > > > Mars
> > > > > > > > and Mercury.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But even if it were presented as a `short novel'
> > pure
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > simple, and not as an autobiographical narration,
the
> > > > content
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > text reveals too much of racism and disrespect
against
> > black
> > > > > > > people,
> > > > > > > > indigenous people and their right to live.
Leadbeater
> > also
> > > > > uses
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > term "race" not in its theosophical meaning, but in
the
> > > > > > > > nationalistic way, as if each country had its
> > own 'race',
> > > > > > > > anticipating what Adolf Hitler would do decades
later.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > At p. 167 of the Adyar edition, one starts to
read
> > his
> > > > > > > > description of Brazilian people:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "First came the descendants of Spanish and
> > Portuguese
> > > > > > > > conquerors ? a haughty, indolent race; a race
courtly
> > and
> > > > > > > > hospitable, by no means without its good qualities,
but
> > yet
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > > whose strongest characteristic was an immeasurable
> > contempt
> > > > > (or
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > affectation of it) for all other races whatsoever".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The amount of illusions-per-line is outstanding
> > here.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > First, Spanish people were never `conquerors' in
> > Brazil.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > > country was `discovered' and made a colony by
Portugal.
> > > > > Second,
> > > > > > > > Portuguese people are not a race; and they cannot be
> > easily
> > > > > > > > described as `indolent'. Third, Portuguese people
> > generaly
> > > > did
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > show `contempt' for other `races', and it is for
this
> > reason
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > miscigenation ? intermarriage ? was from the first
the
> > main
> > > > > > > > anthropological characteristic of the emerging
Brazilian
> > > > > nation.
> > > > > > > > Portuguese people easily created strong personal
links
> > with
> > > > > black
> > > > > > > > people and indigenous people. (Of course,
colonization
> > was
> > > > > also
> > > > > > > > violent.)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In the next paragraph, "bishop" Leadbeater is
even
> > more
> > > > > > > > surprising:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Next came red indians".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Well, there are no `red indians' in Brazil,
although
> > the
> > > > > term
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > very common in old North American Far West bang-bang
> > > > stories,
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > which hundreds of "bad" Indians get typically killed
by
> > a
> > > > few
> > > > > > > white
> > > > > > > > men usually presented as brave heros.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Leadbeater says about "red indians":
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Of these many tribes had adopted a kind of
squalid
> > > > > > > > civilization, but many others were still savages
untamed
> > and
> > > > > > > > untamable ? men who regarded work of any kind as the
> > deepest
> > > > > > > > degradation ? who hated the white man with a
> > traditional,
> > > > > > > > unrelenting hatred, and (strange as it may seen)
more
> > than
> > > > > > > > reciprocated the boundless contempt of the blue-
blooded
> > > > > hidalgo of
> > > > > > > > Spain. It will be no doubt incomprehensible to many
of
> > us
> > > > that
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > half-naked savage can entertain any other feeling
than
> > envy
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > superior civilization, however much he may dislike
us;
> > but I
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > > only say that the quite genuine and unaffected
feeling
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > Red
> > > > > > > > Indian towards the white man is pure and unmitigated
> > > > > contempt."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What are the problems in these few lines? First,
> > again
> > > > > comes
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Spanish `hidalgo' (nobleman) apparently ruling
Brazil, a
> > > > > country
> > > > > > > > which was independent from Portugal (not Spain),
since
> > 1822,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > never under any "Spanish' ruling class. Second, the
`red
> > > > > Indian'
> > > > > > > > again. Third, indigenous people and did not express
hate
> > > > > against
> > > > > > > > white people, and never actively resisted the
domination
> > of
> > > > > > > European
> > > > > > > > rulers in Brazil. These two paragraphs simply can't
> > refer to
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > South American country.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But CWL proceeds (p. 168) to develop his
unbrotherly
> > > > view
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > human beings:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Then came the negro race ? no inconsiderable
> > portion of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > populations, and chiefly in a state of slavery,
though
> > the
> > > > > > > > Government was doing all in its power to remove that
> > curse
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > territories; and last and worst came what were
called
> > the
> > > > half-
> > > > > > > > breeds or half-castes ? a mixed race which seemed,
as
> > mixed
> > > > > races
> > > > > > > > sometimes do, to combine all the worst qualities of
both
> > its
> > > > > > > parent
> > > > > > > > stocks. Indians, Spaniards, and Negro alike despised
> > them;
> > > > and
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > in turn regarded all alike with a virulent hatred."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We can see in these words some strong `pioneer
> > elements'
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > future ideologies of Nazism and Fascism, and
ultimately
> > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > mass-
> > > > > > > > murder attemtps of "ethnic cleansing". Look at it
again:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > " (...) and last and worst came what were called
the
> > > > half-
> > > > > > > breeds
> > > > > > > > or half-castes ? a mixed race which seemed (...) to
> > combine
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > worst qualities of both its parent stocks."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This is Leadbeater.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But -- what about Theosophy? What does esoteric
> > > > philosophy
> > > > > > > > really say about the relations between rich and poor
> > nations
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > among all different ethnical groups, with their
varied
> > kinds
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > colours in the skin? In the "Letters from the
Masters",
> > the
> > > > > famous
> > > > > > > > letter known as coming from the "Great Master" says:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "To achieve the proposed object, a greater, a
wiser,
> > and
> > > > > > > > especially a more benevolent intermingling of the
high
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > low,
> > > > > > > > of the Alpha and the Omega of Society, was
determined
> > upon.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > > white race must be the first to stretch out the hand
of
> > > > > fellowship
> > > > > > > > to the dark nations, to call the poor despised
`nigger'
> > > > > brother.
> > > > > > > > This prospect may not smile to all, but he is no
> > Theosophist
> > > > > who
> > > > > > > > objects to his principle" (2)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > One can only conclude, then, that in writing
that
> > > > > paragraph
> > > > > > > > Leadbeater was "no theosophist".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In fact, Leadbeater's vision of human beings as
> > > > presented
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > that long story is not only ethically and culturally
> > > > > unacceptable.
> > > > > > > > It is also legally criminal, for racism and
stimulation
> > of
> > > > > hatred
> > > > > > > > among people of different skin-colours has been
defined
> > as
> > > > > crime
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Brazil a few years ago.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > One can understand why the Brazilian edition
> > of "Saved
> > > > By
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > Ghost" cannot be found in Brazilian bookshops any
> > longer.
> > > > Yet
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > still for sale at Adyar, it seems.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ( In another posting, I should refer to
Leadbeater's
> > > > > proudly
> > > > > > > > alleged acts of violence leading to death, which,
even
> > if
> > > > seen
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > > fictional, are profoundly untheosophical. )
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
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> > > > > > > > > > NOTE:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > (1) "The Perfume of Egypt", by C. W. Leadbeater,
> > whose
> > > > > sixth
> > > > > > > > edition (TPH Adyar, 265 pp.) is dated 1978.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > (2) "Letters From the Masters of the Wisdom",
> > compiled
> > > > by
> > > > > C.
> > > > > > > > Jinarajadasa, Adyar TPH, first series, Letter number
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