Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00766)

Cass, 

You say "as if".  

Well, "as if" is on the eyes of the beholder. 

Am I a mirror? 

Carlos. 

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Data:Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:45:18 -0800 (PST)

Assunto:Re: Theos-World No Clash of Civilizations

> But Carlos
> Then why portray it as if you have been elected the predecessor of all the knowledge and wisdom that came out of HPB's mouth.
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> > Israeli writer Amos Oz has been writing for a number of years that the real Middle East conflict is not between Arabs/Muslim and Jews/Israel. The real conflict it is between the intolerant radicals (Arabs and Jews united in that quest for bloodshed), and open-minded, peace-loving people (Arabs and Jews also united in the quest for peace). 
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> > Assunto:Theos- World No Clash of Civilizations
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> > > Maybe this interview will be interesting for some:
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> > > Clip No. 1050
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> > > Arab-American Psychiatrist Wafa Sultan: There is No Clash of 
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> > > Civilizations but a Clash between the Mentality of the Middle Ages 
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> > > Wafa Sultan: The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a 
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> > > clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash 
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> > > between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a 
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> > > belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and 
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> > > barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and 
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> > > oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between 
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> > > other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, 
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> > > and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not 
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> > > a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete.
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> > > Host: I understand from your words that what is happening today is a 
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> > > Wafa Sultan: Yes, that is what I mean.
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> > > Host: Who came up with the concept of a clash of civilizations? Was 
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> > > it not Samuel Huntington? It was not Bin Laden. I would like to 
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> > > Wafa Sultan: The Muslims are the ones who began using this 
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> > > believe, they started this clash, and began this war. In order to 
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> > > Messiah is God, son of Mary, or that Satan is God, son of Mary. Let 
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> > > Wafa Sultan: The Jews have come from the tragedy (of the Holocaust), 
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