Re: Words and Words
Nov 06, 2006 09:22 PM
by Carl Ek
Carlos,
No, that wasn't clear!
Carl
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> Carl,
>
> I was not talking about the word "Adoption".
>
> Wasn't it clear?
>
> Carlos.
>
>
> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> Cópia:
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> Data:Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:05:15 -0000
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> Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: HPB and Her Mason Friends
>
> > I see that I have to say it again;
> >
> > The Masonic term "Adoption" DOES NOT mean honorary, it means
that it
> > is female Masonry. The origin of the term is from France, in the
> > 1770', when Masonic lodge was founded for women, or mixed. Hence
> > women can't (from their point of view, and then of course) rule
a
> > lodge them self, these female lodges was "Adopted" by a male
lodge,
> > and the Lodge Mistress reported to the Worshipful Master of the
male
> > lodge, that had adopted the female lodge.
> >
> > A Masonic term, is a Masonic term, and what the civil society,
use
> > the same word, dose not matter.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Carl,
> > >
> > >
> > > We both knew and still know what is "Adoption".
> > >
> > > HPB did not go to "Masonic meetings".
> > >
> > >
> > > So it was a homage, an honorary title, if I may use my own
words.
> > >
> > > You can use your words for the same fact.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yet she was not an active Mason, only a "honorary" one. She
had
> > friends there.
> > >
> > >
> > > Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Cópia:
> > >
> > > Data:Mon, 06 Nov 2006 02:27:25 -0000
> > >
> > > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: CARL NOW DOES CLARIFY!
> > >
> > > > Carlos,
> > > > You wrote: "So there is NOTHING about HPB being an active
member
> > of
> > > > any ritualistic
> > > > Organizations in the 19 century."
> > > > Don't twist it around now, for the discussion was if she
ever
> > was an
> > > > active mason or not, and on that my answer is that I have
never
> > seen
> > > > that. And if she participates in any Masonic lodge meeting,
I
> > don't
> > > > know. But if she come, they surely hade let her in.
> > > > But she was a member of more then two Masonic orders, and
one of
> > > > this the A.P.R.M. was honorary. The others (inkl. Sat Bhai),
> > read
> > > > for you self:
> > > >
> > > > "My Masonic experience ? if you will so term membership in
> > several
> > > > Eastern Masonic fraternities and esoteric brotherhoods ? is
> > confined
> > > > to the Orient." (HPB Speaks, vol. I p. 31)
> > > >
> > > > You wrote: "As to her 'honorary membership' -- take a look
at
> > the
> > > > facsimile copy of HPB's masonic "Adoption" diploma in "HPB
> > Speaks".
> > > > That is honorary, no doubt."
> > > > The Masonic term "Adoption" DOES NOT mean honorary, it means
> > that it
> > > > is female Masonry. The origin of the term is from France, in
the
> > > > 1770', when Masonic lodge was founded for women, or mixed.
Hence
> > > > women can't (from their point of view, and then of course)
rule
> > a
> > > > lodge them self, these female lodges was "Adopted" by a male
> > lodge,
> > > > and the Lodge Mistress reported to the Worshipful Master of
the
> > male
> > > > lodge, that had adopted the female lodge.
> > > >
> > > > And plus the Theosophical Society and The Esoteric School of
> > > > Theosophy, of course. The rituals of TS (written by Olcott
1876)
> > and
> > > > EST (based on the old TS-rituals, and rewritten by HPB 1888)
> > were
> > > > inspired of Masonic rituals. In Sweden (in the three
society,
> > Point
> > > > Loma, Adyar and the Independent Swedish TS), this rituals
was
> > used
> > > > in till after the 1900. I have seen a photograph from a
Pasadena
> > EST-
> > > > meeting in Helsingborg from the early 1950's. They were al
> > dressed
> > > > up in dress cotes, wearing the EST-jewels (stars, as
designed by
> > KT,
> > > > or on her order) and the lodge room was lighted with
candelabras
> > > > (there is no doute what it was; hence one clearly can see
HPB's,
> > M's
> > > > and KH's portraits in the background and one of the
participants
> > I
> > > > know in person very well). In 2003, we arrange the
> > > > last "celebration" of the White Lotus Day in Gothenburg,
after a
> > > > ritual written 1889 by Dr Gustaf Zander, President-Founder
of
> > the TS
> > > > in Sweden, Judge's Agent for EST in Scandinavia, disciple of
> > Jasper
> > > > Niemand and corresponding with Judge in till 1896. This was
> > arranged
> > > > together by Pasadena TS and the Swedish TS. 68 people were
> > present,
> > > > and I was in chair.
> > > >
> > > > Don't say that there has not been or are no rituals in the
TM.
> > They
> > > > are there, and have been there from the very beginning
(1876).
> > If
> > > > branches want to work with them, they are free to do so, if
they
> > not
> > > > want to, when don't have to. It is the same in Adyar, today,
to.
> > I
> > > > know Adyar lodges that still have a ritual (not the same as
the
> > > > original, as far as I know) to initiate new members. I was
> > present
> > > > in one in 1994 (The Wesak Lodge in Sweden).
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > So there is NOTHING about HPB being an active member of
any
> > > > ritualistic organizations in the 19 century. (See below).
> > > > Excellent, my brother. Facts are facts and this absence of
> > > > evidences is a FACT, for sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > As to her 'honorary membership' -- take a look at the
> > facsimile
> > > > copy of HPB's masonic "Adoption" diploma in "HPB Speaks".
That
> > is
> > > > honorary, no doubt.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that HPB denounced in most vehement terms
the "ceremonial
> > > > magic" as a practice for the 19th century.
> > > > >
> > > > > She probably could smelll the uselessness, nay, the
> > harmfulness of
> > > > it in the Aquarius Age...
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards, Carlos.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > Cópia:
> > > > >
> > > > > Data:Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:51:39 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: HPB and Sat B'hai
> > > > >
> > > > > > Carlos,
> > > > > > My answers are in capital letters.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry, but whare is the desmonstration that HPB was ever
> > active
> > > > in
> > > > > > such a a
> > > > > > movement? NOTHING, AND THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT
ANY "HONORARY
> > > > MEMBERS"
> > > > > > EITHER.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did she write about that in a letter not forged? What
about
> > > > > > originals of her
> > > > > > statement that she belonged to it? ASK TILLETT, AND THE
> > > > RESEARCHERS
> > > > > > IN QC IN LONDON.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did any of her contemporaries (loyal theosophists) write
> > about
> > > > such
> > > > > > an active
> > > > > > membership? NO< ANF I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT EITHER.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What did Olcott tie about this? SORRY, BUT I DON"T
> > UNDERSTAND
> > > > THIS
> > > > > > QUESTION. SAY IT IN OUTHER WORDS, PLEASE.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And then, Boris de Zirkoff? S. Cranston? Did Boris
include
> > > > anything
> > > > > > about that
> > > > > > in HPB's Collected Writings? WAY DO ASK THAT TO ME?
SORRY,
> > THEY
> > > > ARE
> > > > > > BOTH DEAD, IF THEY WASEN'T, YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED THEM
THAT,
> > AND
> > > > NOT
> > > > > > ME. I THINK THERE IS A FOTNOT IN BCW, BUT I HAVE TO LOOK
TO
> > BE
> > > > SURE.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am talking about good old theosophical sources. (You
know
> > > > there is
> > > > > > a lot of
> > > > > > people talking to HPB and the Masters around the corner
or
> > > > useing
> > > > > > their names
> > > > > > for their own purposes.) YES, I KNOW THAT VERY MUCH. BUT
THE
> > > > FACT
> > > > > > THAT THERE ARE THINGS ABOUT HBP AND THE MASTER, THAT YOU
> > DON'T
> > > > > > HAPPENED TO LIKE, DOESEN'T MAKE THEM UNTRUE OR FALSE.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carl,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry, but whare is the desmonstration that HPB was
ever
> > > > active in
> > > > > > such a a movement?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did she write about that in a letter not forged? What
> > about
> > > > > > originals of her statement that she belonged to it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did any of her contemporaries (loyal theosophists)
write
> > about
> > > > > > such an active membership?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What did Olcott tie about this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And then, Boris de Zirkoff? S. Cranston? Did Boris
include
> > > > > > anything about that in HPB's Collected Writings?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am talking about good old theosophical sources. (You
> > know
> > > > there
> > > > > > is a lot of people talking to HPB and the Masters around
the
> > > > corner
> > > > > > or useing their names for their own purposes.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In bona fide, Carlos.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> > > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Data:Sat, 04 Nov 2006 13:26:42 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: HPB and Sat B'hai
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carlos,
> > > > > > > > See the "Sat Bhai Code" below. Do you see anything
about
> > > > > > > > any "honorary member" there?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carl
> > > > > > > > ______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > CODE
> > > > > > > > OF
> > > > > > > > THE ROYAL ORIENTAL ORDER
> > > > > > > > OF
> > > > > > > > SIKHA (APEX) AND THE SAT BHAI
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > RAHU
> > > > > > > > REPRESENTATIVE OF ARTIRAM
> > > > > > > > AND OF
> > > > > > > > THE SAT BHAI OF PRAG
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > THE CODE OF SIKHA (APEX), &c.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (1) This Oriental Order embraces the Perfect
Terrestrial
> > > > Zone of
> > > > > > 360
> > > > > > > > degrees, and the Mystic Zone inclusive of all
others,
> > and
> > > > > > occupies
> > > > > > > > the highest point of the Masonic fabric. Therefore,
> > while
> > > > under
> > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > benign influence, justice is done to all, and
> > innovations
> > > > > > > > inconsistent with the grand principles of harmony,
and a
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > equality, regulated to the varied circumstances of
the
> > > > social
> > > > > > scale,
> > > > > > > > are righteously condemned.
> > > > > > > > (2) This Paramount Order is divided into two,
namely,
> > that
> > > > of
> > > > > > Sikha
> > > > > > > > (Apex), the Supreme and Ultimate Mundane, and of the
Sat
> > > > Bhai of
> > > > > > > > Pryaya.
> > > > > > > > (3) It is a fundamental principle, that there has
been a
> > > > regular
> > > > > > > > succession from the East of the whole Order; but
more
> > > > especially
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the Sat Bhai, and without this succession, the chief
> > title
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Order to universal respect could not exist. This
being
> > so,
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > Sponsor by whom the succession has been kept up, and
> > such
> > > > > > Sponsors
> > > > > > > > as have been adopted into it, must in their dual
> > capacity,
> > > > as
> > > > > > well
> > > > > > > > as individually, be incapable of deposition or
> > supersession,
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > without them, and the possession by the original
Sponsor
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > Red
> > > > > > > > Ribbon of the Order, there could not possibly be any
> > > > succession,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > consequently there could be no Order.
> > > > > > > > (4) But, inasmuch as worldly considerations, in
their
> > narrow
> > > > > > sense,
> > > > > > > > are alien to the spiritual instructions of the
Sponsors,
> > > > they
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > been permitted to delegate their administrative and
> > > > executive
> > > > > > > > powers, in large measure, to the Arch Censors, who
are
> > > > > > accordingly
> > > > > > > > charged with such duties, while the legislative
> > function,
> > > > and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > veto, personal as well as dual, remains with the
former,
> > as
> > > > an
> > > > > > > > unalienable inheritance, within the Perfect Circle,
as
> > > > > > transmitted
> > > > > > > > by the Sat Bhai of Pryaya.
> > > > > > > > (5) At any moment of supreme peril to the occidental
> > home of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > Order of Sikha (Apex), and of the Sat Bhai, it shall
be
> > the
> > > > > > > > imperative duty of the First Sponsor, who holds the
Red
> > > > Ribbon
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the Order, to summon the Arch Arbiter, the Second
> > Sponsor,
> > > > and
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > Arch Censor, and in their presence to break the seal
of
> > the
> > > > > > letter
> > > > > > > > from Prag, that contains the special mandate of the
Lord
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > Perfect Circle, and of the Sat Bhai, such mandate
being
> > > > > > absolutely
> > > > > > > > irresistible, and of effect over the whole of this
Code.
> > And
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > the exception of this one reservation, this Code
shall
> > be
> > > > > > > > irrevocable and incapable of abrogation, and the
> > Sponsors,
> > > > and
> > > > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > Censors are charged with its application to the
> > organisation
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > mystic subjects of the Lord of the Perfect
Terrestrial
> > Zone.
> > > > > > > > (6) Within the Perfect Circle, the mystic numbers
Nine
> > and
> > > > Seven
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > pre-eminent, and while the Lord of the Perfect
Circle
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > Sponsors complete the higher number, the lower,
under
> > the
> > > > > > immediate
> > > > > > > > influence of the Sat Bhai, is subdivided into seven
> > classes,
> > > > > > namely:-
> > > > > > > > (1). Arch Censors. (2). Arch Couriers. (3). Arch
> > Ministers.
> > > > (4).
> > > > > > > > Arch Heralds. (5). Arch Scribes. (6). Arch Auditors.
> > (7).
> > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > Mutes.
> > > > > > > > (7) The Arch Censors, being of the highest dignity
of
> > the
> > > > Sat
> > > > > > Bhai,
> > > > > > > > rule the six subordinate classes, and each, in his
own
> > > > > > jurisdiction,
> > > > > > > > is paramount. In this grade all are equal, and there
is
> > no
> > > > > > priority.
> > > > > > > > (8) Each Member of each Censorial Section of the six
> > > > subordinate
> > > > > > > > classes, shall be known personaily only to his own
> > Censor,
> > > > and
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > the Sponsors under the Lord of the Perfect Zone and
in
> > the
> > > > chain
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > secrecy as well as of responsibility (nccessary for
the
> > > > > > exclusion of
> > > > > > > > the uninitiated), every second link is locked
downwards
> > by
> > > > > > symbols,
> > > > > > > > signs and countersignshence, the Arch Censor is only
> > known
> > > > to
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > own Arch Couriers, each of the latter to his own
Arch
> > > > Ministers,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > so on.
> > > > > > > > (9) No one can be admitted to the four higher
classes of
> > the
> > > > Sat
> > > > > > > > Bhai who has not been previously initiated in the
> > Mystery of
> > > > > > > > Freemasonry; and it is a fundamental decree, that
the
> > > > classes
> > > > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > Censor, and Arch Courier are closed against all but
> > Master
> > > > > > Masons,
> > > > > > > > and those of higher degree. But the three lower
classes
> > are
> > > > open
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > both sexes, at the discretion of each Arch Censor,
> > within
> > > > his
> > > > > > own
> > > > > > > > jurisdiction.
> > > > > > > > (10) In order to preserve the due relation between
the
> > > > various
> > > > > > > > grades, and to distinguish those of greater
exaltation,
> > a
> > > > system
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > numbers pervades the whole, so that each individual
may
> > be
> > > > > > clearly
> > > > > > > > distinguished. But mystic names, conferred by the
> > Sponsors,
> > > > > > pertain
> > > > > > > > exclusively to the four higher classes of the Sat
Bhai;
> > the
> > > > > > lower
> > > > > > > > receiving only ordinary names. These numbers run
thus,
> > > > > > throughout
> > > > > > > > the combined Order of Sikha (Apex) and the Sat Bhai:-
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sikha (Apex)-the Supreme Mundane 1
> > > > > > > > ................... 2/1 [In a circle.
> > > > > > > > Sponsors ................... 2/2 "
> > > > > > > > ................... 2/3 "
> > > > > > > > A. Censor ................... 3/1 3/2 3/3 &c.
> > > > > > > > [In a triangle.
> > > > > > > > A. Courier .................... 4/1 &c. [In an
> > > > > > > > ellipse.
> > > > > > > > A. Minister ................... 5/1 &c. [In a
> > > > > > > > parallelogram.
> > > > > > > > A. Herald ................... 6/1 &c. [In a
> > > > > > > > lozenge.
> > > > > > > > A. Scribe ................... 7/1 &c. [Plain.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A. Auditor ................... 8/1 &c. [Plain.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A. Mute .................... 9/1 &c. [Plain.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Furthermore, to distinguish these grades within
their
> > > > special
> > > > > > > > Circles, the svmbol of each Arch Censor is prefixed
to
> > the
> > > > > > number of
> > > > > > > > the inferior grade in the manner shown in plate 1,
> > figure 1.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4/1
> > > > > > > > The Arch Courier 1, of Indra.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But as the A. C. has three symbols, the first is
placed
> > > > before
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Couriers, the second before the Ministers, and the
third
> > > > before
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Heralds. (11) Each member of each grade nominates
seven
> > > > > > assistants,
> > > > > > > > and these seven, in like manner, seven probationers;
but
> > > > these
> > > > > > > > receive only the simple number of their superior, a
red
> > > > line,
> > > > > > drawn
> > > > > > > > horizontally through which, indicates an assistant,
and
> > a
> > > > red
> > > > > > one,
> > > > > > > > vertically, a probationer. These auxiliaries qualify
to
> > > > become
> > > > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > Mutes, but are not considered as within the Perfect
> > Circle,
> > > > nor
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > they admitted to its mysteries; they, however, are
> > taught
> > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > mystery came from Pryaya, and are employed to
advance
> > the
> > > > cause
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > universal harmony, and their authority is a brief
> > prescript
> > > > > > signed
> > > > > > > > by the immediate superior, by which their
subordination,
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > pledged word, is secured.
> > > > > > > > (12) The Obligation, on the simple word of honour of
the
> > > > > > candidate,
> > > > > > > > in every class throughout the combined Order, is
> > accepted as
> > > > > > > > sufficient. None but men of reputed honour, true to
> > their
> > > > word,
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > admitted, and to such men, experience shows, that
the
> > > > pledged
> > > > > > word
> > > > > > > > is as inviolable as the solemn oath, the latter as
> > profane,
> > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > excluded from the presence of the Lord of the
Perfect
> > > > Circle.
> > > > > > > > (13) Every member of the Order is bound to be in
> > possession
> > > > of a
> > > > > > > > mandate or commission, signed in cipher by the
Sponsors,
> > and
> > > > > > > > endorsed in like manner, by their respective Arch
> > Censors,
> > > > > > according
> > > > > > > > to the system of locked links.
> > > > > > > > (14) The Arch Censors are not necessarily known by
their
> > > > > > personal
> > > > > > > > names to each other, but they may hold congress,
under
> > the
> > > > > > sanction
> > > > > > > > of the sponsors, for the discussion of important
matters
> > > > > > connected
> > > > > > > > with their own jurisdiction, and within its limits;
but
> > one
> > > > > > > > dissencient voice, whether the whole be present or
not,
> > > > shall
> > > > > > > > invalidate any regulation framed by such congress,
and
> > the
> > > > veto
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the Sponsors, individual as well as dual, will have
the
> > same
> > > > > > effect,
> > > > > > > > the object being to protect the perhaps farther
seeing,
> > > > > > minority, a
> > > > > > > > policy taught by the history of mankind.
> > > > > > > > (15) The Sponsors are to be furnished with quarterly
> > > > reports,
> > > > > > > > commencing on the first day of each year, by each
> > Censor,
> > > > who in
> > > > > > > > like manner will- be furnished with the necessary
> > report, by
> > > > his
> > > > > > > > subordinates, and, a return of moneys due and paid,
> > shall be
> > > > > > > > comprised in these reports, in addition to
> > administrative
> > > > > > details.
> > > > > > > > (16) These reports will be framed according to the
> > nature of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > duties of each class thus: The Arch Censors have the
> > > > > > superintendence
> > > > > > > > of the Masonic world, from 360 ° to 19 °; the Arch
> > Couriers
> > > > from
> > > > > > 18
> > > > > > > > ° to 11 %#176;;- The Arch Ministers from 10 ° to 4
°;
> > the
> > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > Heralds from 3 ° to 1 °. The Arch Scribes are
charged
> > with
> > > > > > fiscal
> > > > > > > > details, the payment of fees for charters, and
> > commissions
> > > > to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Arch Illuminator for materials and work supplied,
and
> > the
> > > > fees
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > admission, and exaltation, as settled, and regulated
by
> > the
> > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > Censors, the latter being charged with a general
> > > > supervision.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > Arch Auditors and Arch Mutes are charged with the
> > collection
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > important information from all sources, public and
> > private.
> > > > > > > > The Sponsors receive no fees, but whatever is voted
to
> > them
> > > > by
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Arch Censors, they may accept.
> > > > > > > > (17) The Arch Arbiter is the highest judicial
> > functionary,
> > > > and
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > known only by his name within the Perfect Circle,
but
> > has no
> > > > > > active
> > > > > > > > part or responsibility in the Order, and is
superseded
> > > > > > periodically.
> > > > > > > > (18) In each case when a superior is addressed, he
must
> > be
> > > > > > protected
> > > > > > > > by his inferior against the expenses of a
correspondence
> > > > which
> > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > necessarily be of vast extent, and which would be
> > oppressive
> > > > to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > superior.
> > > > > > > > (19) The offices of Arch Emissary, Arch Secretary,
Arch
> > > > > > Historian,
> > > > > > > > Arch Treasurer, Arch Auditor and Arch Illuminator
are
> > > > tentative,
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > first, fourth, and fifth being extra to the Order.
Of
> > their
> > > > > > > > patronage, the first is in the gift of the Sponsors,
the
> > > > second
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > sixth of the first Sponsor, or he who holds the Red
> > Ribbon
> > > > and
> > > > > > Bell
> > > > > > > > of the Order, the third, fourth, and fifth, of the
Arch
> > > > Censors.
> > > > > > > > (20) Among the archives of the Order are many
fragments
> > of
> > > > > > Oriental
> > > > > > > > antiquity, and these comprise various documents in
the
> > > > ancient
> > > > > > > > languages of the East. When required to secure in a
> > printed
> > > > > > form,
> > > > > > > > the Book of Sikha (Apex), and Legend of the Red
Ribbon,
> > the
> > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > Sponsor will receive proposals from the Arch Censors
> > with
> > > > that
> > > > > > end
> > > > > > > > in view, one grand object of the Order being to
incite
> > to a
> > > > > > study of
> > > > > > > > the great truths contained in early Sanskrit
literature.
> > > > > > > > (21) No member of the Order can be superseded or
> > expelled,
> > > > nor
> > > > > > shall
> > > > > > > > he have the power to resign his office (and never
his
> > > > > > membership)
> > > > > > > > without the final sanction of the Sponsors, under
the
> > advice
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Arch Arbiter, or Hindu referee.
> > > > > > > > (22) The R.O.O. of Sikha and the Sat Bhai is the
only
> > system
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > Round or Natural Freemasonry.
> > > > > > > > (23) The signs and passwords of this Order are
issued
> > only
> > > > by
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > First Sponsor triennially, when they are changed at
the
> > > > Vernal
> > > > > > > > Equinox. No S.B. can share in the rites and councils
of
> > the
> > > > > > Order
> > > > > > > > who is not in possession of the signs and passwords
of
> > the
> > > > > > smaller
> > > > > > > > cycles. But the Illuminated who are in the innermost
> > circle
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > exempt from ordinary rules. An Arch Censor may be
> > > > Illuminated
> > > > > > > > without preliminary perfection or maturity, and only
the
> > > > > > Illuminated
> > > > > > > > are eligible to succeed to the death vacancy of a
> > Sponsor.
> > > > > > > > (24) The great Lotus Seal of the Order is common to
the
> > > > > > > > Jurisdictions of the Order, but its custodian must
be
> > > > elected in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > jurisdiction, and subject to the confirmation of the
> > First
> > > > > > Sponsor.
> > > > > > > > (25) The Code of Sikha (Apex) is the sole law of the
> > R.O.O.,
> > > > and
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > immutable. But signs and passwords are tentative for
> > fixed
> > > > > > periods,
> > > > > > > > and bye-laws may be permitted tentatively by Rahu,
as
> > > > > > representative
> > > > > > > > of Artiram. Nothing is valid without the personal
and
> > usual
> > > > lay
> > > > > > > > signature of the Arch Secretary to verity it.
> > > > > > > > (26) The Third Sponsor, as a rule, dormant, may, by
the
> > > > > > proclamation
> > > > > > > > of the First Sponsor, be called into activity and
> > duality
> > > > with
> > > > > > him,
> > > > > > > > whereupon the Second Sponsor becomes for a season or
> > seasons
> > > > > > > > dormant. No Sponsor can be also an Arch Censor, but
he
> > may
> > > > > > > > temporarily discharge the latter's functions.
> > > > > > > > (27) The Vernal Equinoxes for changing signs and
> > Passwords
> > > > are
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > 1877, 1875, 1878, 1881, 1884, 1887, 1890, &c.
> > > > > > > > (28) There are three Seals, viz. -The Great Lotus
Seal;
> > the
> > > > Key
> > > > > > Seal
> > > > > > > > of the Arch Secretary; and the First Sponsors Privy
> > Seal;
> > > > There
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > also the Arch Censors' segmental Seals.
> > > > > > > > (29) No Ritual can be used which is not stamped with
the
> > > > Great
> > > > > > Seal
> > > > > > > > of the Order produced in Ashayana. So also Perfected
> > > > Sadhanams,
> > > > > > > > Marks, and Illuminated Sadhanams are invalid without
the
> > > > said
> > > > > > seal
> > > > > > > > and the confirmation of the First Sponsor presiding
in
> > > > Ashayana.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > Order holds Ghonslas Ashayanas, and Nidams, to which
> > there
> > > > is no
> > > > > > > > admission without Mandate or Sadhanam. The latter is
> > > > ineffectual
> > > > > > > > unless endorsed by the Arch Secretary in his usual
lay
> > > > > > signature.
> > > > > > > > (30) No Sat Bhai can resign, but absolute ignoring
of
> > O.B.,
> > > > or
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > notoriously gross act of dishonour involves de
facto,
> > loss
> > > > of
> > > > > > rank
> > > > > > > > to be signified by the First Sponsor and Arch
Secretary.
> > > > > > > > (31) There may be more than one jurisdiction. That
of
> > the
> > > > First
> > > > > > > > Sponsor is the paramount. Each may have its own A.
> > Censors,
> > > > &c.;
> > > > > > > > Segments may be exchanged.
> > > > > > > > (32) There are seven Provinces or an Heptarchy in
> > England,
> > > > > > Scotland,
> > > > > > > > and Ireland. Mahanathas rule these by charter under
the
> > > > Great
> > > > > > Seal
> > > > > > > > of the Order. The Sponsors form the Court of Appeal
of
> > > > these,
> > > > > > but no
> > > > > > > > Sponsor can receive any donative or fee of intrinsic
> > value.
> > > > In
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > case gifts must be honorary, such as testimonials on
> > > > parchment.
> > > > > > > > (33) 'The Feathers of the Sat Bhai', Archaeological
> > Tracts
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > R.O.O. may be under the editorship of any S.B. duly
> > > > appointed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > SYMBOLS, ETC.
> > > > > > > > The symbols, Paroles and countersigns, ancient and
> > modern,
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Royal Oriental Order of Sikha (Apex) and of the Sat
Bhai
> > of
> > > > > > Pryaya.
> > > > > > > > (1) The Symbols of Sikha (Apex) are:- (1) The
Mundane
> > Egg.
> > > > (2).
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > Crossed Square within a Perfect circle. (3). The
Fruit
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > Sacred
> > > > > > > > Lotus. (4). The Harmonic Octave, expressed by its
> > graphic
> > > > > > expression
> > > > > > > > of a double shell. (5) The Anga. (6) A swan. (7) A
Bull.
> > > > [plate
> > > > > > 1,
> > > > > > > > figures 1,2,3,4,5,6,7]. The Symbol of the Sat Bhai
is
> > Seven
> > > > Grey
> > > > > > > > Feathers, 2,3, and 2
> > > > > > > > (2) The symbols of the Dual Sponsors are - (1).The
> > Crescent
> > > > > > Moon.
> > > > > > > > (2). The Signs of the Ascending and of the
descending
> > Node.
> > > > Of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > first Sponsor-- (1). The Rose. (2) The Kamalata. (3)
An
> > > > Arrow.
> > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > the Second Sponsor--(1). An Unicorn's Horn. (2) The
> > > > Amaranth. Of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Dormant Sponsor--The Sun in eclipse.
> > > > > > > > The parole or pass-word to the Sponsors
is ......... ;
> > the
> > > > sign,
> > > > > > > > touching the......... of the .........
> > > > > > > > (3) The Arch Censors are in the third yug symbolised
by
> > a
> > > > Boar
> > > > > > > > avatar (plate 1, figure 18]. Their distinctive
symbols
> > are
> > > > three
> > > > > > > > each:-
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. Indra I A Thunderbolt 2 A Lamp 3.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2. Ganesha 1 An EIephant 2 A Conch 3.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3. Agni 1 A Flame 2 A Lotus 3.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4. Surya 1 A Wheel 2 Sunflower 3.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 5. Kartikeya 1 A Peacock 2 A Sword 3.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 6. Kama 1 A Parrot 2 A Bent Bow 3.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 7. Daksha 1 A Dexter Hand 2 An Ear of Wheat
> > > > > > > > 3.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The pass-word to the Arch Censors is......... ; the
> > sign,
> > > > > > touching
> > > > > > > > the......... of the right .........
> > > > > > > > (4) The Arch Couriers are in the fourth yug, of
which
> > the
> > > > symbol
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > a lion-headed man. They have one distinctive symbol
each
> > > > placed
> > > > > > > > under their respective A. Censor's first symbol. The
> > > > password to
> > > > > > > > this grade is......... ; the sign, touching
the.........
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > the......... forefinger.
> > > > > > > > (5) The Arch Ministers are in the fifth yug,
symbolised
> > by
> > > > two
> > > > > > > > interlaced triangles. They have one distinctive
symbol
> > each,
> > > > > > placed
> > > > > > > > under their respective A. Censor's second symbol.
The
> > > > password
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > this grade is......... ; the sign, touching
the.........
> > of
> > > > > > > > the.........
> > > > > > > > (6) The Arch Heralds are in the sixth yug, for which
the
> > > > symbol
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > an antique crown. They have one distinctive symbol
each,
> > > > placed
> > > > > > > > under their respective A. Censor's third symbol. The
> > > > password to
> > > > > > > > this grade is......... the sign, the palms.........
> > > > > > > > (7) The Arch Scribes are in the seventh yug. There
are
> > no
> > > > > > symbols in
> > > > > > > > this grade, but the A. Ss. have distinctive numbers
in
> > the
> > > > > > Nagara
> > > > > > > > character. Pass-word.......... No sign.
> > > > > > > > (8) The Arch Auditors are in the eighth yug. They
have
> > each
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > Devanagri letter before their names, under the
> > Minister's
> > > > > > symbol. No
> > > > > > > > password. No sign.
> > > > > > > > (9) The Arch Mutes are in the ninth yug: They have
each
> > a
> > > > letter
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the Devanagri character before their names and under
the
> > > > > > Herald's
> > > > > > > > symbol. No pass-word. No sign.
> > > > > > > > Nomenclature of the Arch Grades, under the Lord of
the
> > > > Perfect
> > > > > > Zone,
> > > > > > > > 360 °:-
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1 Sponsor.............. Rahu
> > > > > > > > 2 Sponsor.............. Ketu
> > > > > > > > 3 Kamadyam......... [Dormant]
> > > > > > > > 1 Arch Censor Indra 1 Arch Minister
> > > > > > > > Dhanus
> > > > > > > > 2 " " Ganesha 2 " "
> > > > > > > > Mesha
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3 " " Agni 3 " "
> > > > > > > > Vrisha
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4 " " Surya 4 " " Simha
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 5 " " Kartikeya 5 " "
> > > > > > > > Makara
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 6 " " Kama 6 " " Kumba
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 7 " " Daksha 7 " "
> > > > > > > > Karkata
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1 Arch Courier Kuvera 1 Arch Herald
> > > > > > > > Sanjaya
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2 " " Vira Badra 2 " "
> > > > > > > > Heri
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3 " " Bhairava 3 " "
> > > > > > > > Rama
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4 " " Varuna 4 " "
> > > > > > > > Nareda
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 5 " " Yama 5 " "
> > > > > > > > Agastya
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 6 " " Garuda 6 " " Hotri
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 7 " " Aruna 7 " "
> > > > > > > > Petri
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1 Arch Scribe Pravaha 1 Arch Auditor Rad
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2 " " Avaha 2 " " Tara
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3 " " Udraha 3 " "
> > > > > > > > Nadiyan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4 " " Samkaha 4 " "
> > > > > > > > Ankhen
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 5 " " Vivaha 5 " " Kan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 6 " " Parivaha 6 " "
> > > > > > > > Udaka
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 7 " " Nivaha 7 " " Vayu
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1 Arch Mute Kalga fem. Narangi
> > > > > > > > 2 " " Pipat " Angur
> > > > > > > > 3 " " Bat " Zaitun
> > > > > > > > 4 " " Champa " Seb
> > > > > > > > 5 " " Tulasi " Angir
> > > > > > > > 6 " " Singarhar " Badan
> > > > > > > > 7 " " Soma " Anar
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (10) Oriental garments being disused, except the
Grey
> > Choga
> > > > and
> > > > > > Cap,
> > > > > > > > the only mark of membership is a red silk cord of
three
> > > > strands,
> > > > > > > > round the neck.
> > > > > > > > The general pass-word is......... The colours of the
> > Order
> > > > are
> > > > > > Red,
> > > > > > > > Blue, White; those of Sponsors, Red, Blue, Yellow;
and
> > of
> > > > > > Segments,
> > > > > > > > the Prismatic.
> > > > > > > > MONETARY REGULATIONS
> > > > > > > > Under the supervision of the Arch Censors, Arch
> > Treasurer,
> > > > and
> > > > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > Scribes, and extra to the Order.
> > > > > > > > (1) A reserve fund for charity, and the use of the
> > > > intelligence
> > > > > > > > department, is to be formed.
> > > > > > > > (2) The Sponsors having renounced all Claim on the
funds
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > Order, they may accept donations as offerings to
Sikha
> > > > (Apex)
> > > > > > > > without injury to the spiritual element, if
voluntarily,
> > and
> > > > > > > > unconditionally made by the Arch Censors.
> > > > > > > > (3) The Arch Censors and their subordinates are
entitled
> > to
> > > > > > > > remuneration for actual work done. The Arch Censors'
> > > > regulations
> > > > > > > > must be accepted, if promulgated by the Seven in
> > Congress,
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > unanimous.
> > > > > > > > 4) The Arch Secretary is entitled to recompense for
time
> > and
> > > > > > outlay.
> > > > > > > > (5) The Arch Illuminator is entitled to recompense
for
> > time
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > outlay, in preparing charters or commissions, &c.
His
> > > > charges
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > been allowed. For a parchment charter, if required
> > > > illuminated,
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > guinea; for a prescript or mandate, two shillings
and
> > > > sixpence;
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > for symbols of Sponsors and Censors, each one
shilling.
> > > > > > > > (6) The Arch Treasurer is entitled to a percentage
on
> > the
> > > > funds,
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > same to be fixed by the Arch Censors in Congress.
> > > > > > > > (7) The other Arch Officers receive remuneration
> > according
> > > > to
> > > > > > duties
> > > > > > > > performed, or expenses incurred.
> > > > > > > > (8) The first Occidental Arch Censors, under the
> > > > dispensation of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Lord of the Perfect Zone, have entered the Circle
free;
> > but
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > successors, and those of the grades under their
> > > > jurisdiction,
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > required to pay the following fees to the Arch
Treasurer
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > Arch Censors:-
> > > > > > > > £ s. d. £ s. d.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A. Mute " " A. Auditor " "
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A. Scribe " " A. Herald "
> > > > > > > > "
> > > > > > > > A. Minister " " A. Courier "
> > > > > > > > "
> > > > > > > > A. Censor £ " "
> > > > > > > > These fees may be regulated from time to time.
> > > > > > > > To obviate the inconvenience of disclosing the
titles of
> > the
> > > > > > Order
> > > > > > > > to the outer world, the postal address will
> > be 'Secretary
> > > > (or
> > > > > > other)
> > > > > > > > of the Royal Oriental S. B. Order.'
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Carl, Tillett, Friends,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > OK.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So HPB was an "honorary member" of the Sat Bhai,
and
> > this,
> > > > as
> > > > > > > > early as 1877.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Honorary member is no active member; it means that
a
> > > > homage
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > made to her.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Not the only one -- as she had a diploma
> > from "Adoption
> > > > > > Masonry",
> > > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Honorary titles.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Data:Sat, 4 Nov 2006 07:12:20 +1100 (EST)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Assunto:Theos-World HPB and Sat B'hai
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In April, 1878, HPB and Colonel Olcott discussed
> > this
> > > > > > > > possibility, and
> > > > > > > > > > concluded that it would serve to restore "the
vital
> > > > element
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > Oriental
> > > > > > > > > > Mysticism" to the higher degrees. But there were
> > > > objections
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > Indian
> > > > > > > > > > members of the TS, and the scheme was abandoned.
> > > > However,
> > > > > > both
> > > > > > > > HPB and
> > > > > > > > > > Olcott were made Honorary Members of the Sat
B'hai,
> > on
> > > > > > August 9,
> > > > > > > > 1877.
> > > > > > > > > > HPB was made a member of the sixth degree, level
> > one,
> > > > Arch
> > > > > > > > Auditor; the
> > > > > > > > > > name of this degree and level was Rad, and, like
the
> > > > fifth
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > seventh
> > > > > > > > > > degrees, was open both non-Masons and to women.
HSO
> > was
> > > > made
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > member of
> > > > > > > > > > the second degree, sixth level. Arch Courier;
the
> > name
> > > > of
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > degree was
> > > > > > > > > > Garuda, and it was open only to Master Masons
(as
> > was
> > > > the
> > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > degree).
> > > > > > > > > > In Sat B'hai the first degree was the highest,
and
> > the
> > > > > > seventh
> > > > > > > > the lowest.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Royal Oriental Order of Sikha (Apex) and the
Sat
> > > > B'hai
> > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > to have
> > > > > > > > > > been founded by an Anglo-Indian, Captain James
Henry
> > > > > > Lawrence
> > > > > > > > Archer of
> > > > > > > > > > the Indian Army, but the organization of the
Order
> > was
> > > > > > largely
> > > > > > > > of the work
> > > > > > > > > > of Kenneth Robert Henderson Mackenzie (1833-86),
> > author
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > the "Royal
> > > > > > > > > > Masonic Cyclopaedia" (1877), and a member of the
TS.
> > The
> > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > statements about the Order appeared in
> > correspondence
> > > > > > in "The
> > > > > > > > Freemason"
> > > > > > > > > > in early 1871, however although great claims
were
> > made
> > > > for
> > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > antiquity
> > > > > > > > > > and importance, and despite Mackenzie's efforts
to
> > > > establish
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > as a
> > > > > > > > > > working organization, it does not seem to have
moved
> > > > much
> > > > > > beyond
> > > > > > > > being a
> > > > > > > > > > plan. By January, 1879, Mackenzie had concluded
that
> > the
> > > > > > Order
> > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > finished.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Sat B'hai was never adopted for use within
the
> > TS.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Information on the membership of HPB and HSO in
Sat
> > > > B'hai
> > > > > > comes
> > > > > > > > from the
> > > > > > > > > > archives of the Order which were (and, I
believe,
> > still
> > > > are)
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the Yarker
> > > > > > > > > > archives in London, where I had access to them.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dr Gregory Tillett
> > > > > > > > > >
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