Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00367)

Konstantin,


Thanks. 

I agree nowadays it does not make sense having complex "entrance procedures" as to new people joining theosophical groups, although welcoming people is nice. 


Your view of the theosophical questions and policy issues is certainly interesting. 

Personally, I guess dogmatism is not quite in people's opinions, but it is in the way they held their opinions.  

Dogmatism and power-games flourish when and where and open-mindedness and 'open-heartedness' are scarce. 

And open-mindedness and 'open-heartedness' can find less opportunities of expression where dogmatism and power-games flourish.


Regards,   Carlos.  










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Data:Sun, 05 Nov 2006 17:16:09 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: Konstantin and Roerich

> Dear Carlos,
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" wrote:
> 
> > Because theirs are the two main (and quite different) views of
> > Theosophy nowadays; one false, one true.
> 
> I also think that there is wrong view of theosophy, but I don't 
> associate it with particular authors. For example, Blavatsky regarded 
> the teaching of Boehme theosophical while in his doctrine he deviates 
> from Blavatsky much farther than Leadbeater or most other 20th century 
> theosophists. She also permitted to study two versions of theosophy 
> existing at her time: Sinnett's (and her own) eastern theosophy and 
> Anna Kingsford's western and christian theosophy.
> 
> I think that the wrong view of theosophy is the dogmatic and sectarian 
> one, regardless of the books which are taken as the authoritative, and 
> the right view is the freethinking, open to data of both any new 
> researches and of any old teachings. As one of the Founders wrote, 
> "you are free workers in domains of truth".
> 
> > But at least Nicholas Roerich did not announce the second coming of 
> Christ
> 
> From my point of view he has done nothing wrong, moreover, he was a 
> member which Theosophical Society can be proud of, but teachings of 
> his wife, Helena (who is regarded the main authority), imply many 
> additions and some messianic ideas, though some of them, as about 
> personality of the coming messiah and future world catastrophe were 
> not published widely.
> They couldn't influence Theosophical society, though tried, and then 
> worked independently. The Roerich societies are many and have many 
> members in Russia. There are many splits and quarrels in this 
> movement, it sometimes comes to the court processes. Many of these 
> people are dogmatic and authoritarian, which traits are met among 
> those who study AB/CWL/AAB works are comparatively rare.
> I disagree with Roerichians not primarily as to teaching (after all, I 
> cannot know which is true) but because they ascribe to Roerichs very 
> high occult status and despise most of the other leaders of the 
> theosophical movement.
> 
> > So that means you are an ULT associate? When did you send your 
> Declaration?
> 
> It was around 10 years ago. I was then in contact with Dallas 
> Tenbroek. He helped me much with translations of the Transactions and 
> Stanzas.
> 
> > Finally, who are the real manipulators in your view?
> 
> I don't know the names, but one thing is sure there are people who 
> efficiently block promulgation of any version of theosophy, that of 
> Besant/Leadbeater included. These people take control over the offices 
> (what Leadbeater and his immediate pupils never did) and make 
> idealistic members believe that the leaders are too wise for us, 
> mortals, could understand the reasons of their this or that decision. 
> Their distinguishing mark is separatism, they don't encourage 
> collaboration with the people who are in their view "too newagean", 
> "too roerichian", etc.
> Of course, those whom I have could see or knew of are just executives, 
> not the main manipulators.
> 
> > One of the Masters used that same word for the entrance procedures,
> > in a Letter, for instance.
> 
> I understand it pretty well. But Geographical or Philatelistic 
> societies have no such ceremonies, as these societies are quite 
> secular; now such ceremonies are abolished in TS too. TS poses itself 
> as a secular, non-religious body and shouldn't have any entrance 
> ceremonies, though ES, I think, can have some.
> 
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