Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00352)

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Data:Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:01:02 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: Germany & the MAP

> Carlos,
> No, they have nothing to do with Point Loma. The Society was founded 
> by Dr. Hartmann in 1897 in protest against KT (as O.H. of EST). It 
> is in the same "group" as the Hargrove society (1898-1935). They was 
> in friendly contact whit Hargrove, the whole time.
> 
> And that group that was writing to Radha is another German group.
> 
> Put them and STS, in the same group. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carl
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Carl, thanks. 
> > 
> > I don't know more than three words in German, or four, but I guess 
> I am in contact with the group you just mentioned. 
> > 
> > They are writing letter to Ms. Radha in defence of Mr. Judge, in 
> cooperation with "FOHAT" and myself. 
> > 
> > They were somewhat mentioned as "Point Loma" groups in my 
> provisional 'map'. I hope I can call them "Point Loma groups". 
> > 
> > 
> > Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
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> > Data:Mon, 06 Nov 2006 12:28:13 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Narada TS and the Map!
> > 
> > > Carlos,
> > > 
> > > You can also put Theosophische Gesellschaft in Deutschland e.V. 
> (The 
> > > Theosophical Society in Germany) founded by Dr. Franz Hartmann 
> in 
> > > 1897 there, 
> > > webpage: http://www.theosophische-
> > > gesellschaft.com/html/allgemein.html
> > > 
> > > and Svenska Teosofiska Samfundet (The Swedish Theosophical 
> Society) 
> > > founded first 1889 by Dr. Gustaf Zander. 1891 united with the 
> > > European Section, and declared it self independent again 1895 
> > > (during the Judge Case). In 1898, when KT founded the UB, it was 
> > > spitted up. The majority joined UB, but one lodge (and I few 
> other 
> > > members spread al over the country) continued as independent in 
> till 
> > > 1929, then they joined TS (under Dr. de Purucker). 1952, in 
> protest 
> > > again Long it started again and continued to work in till 1971, 
> when 
> > > most of its members joined the TS Pasadena, and 2003 it was 
> > > reorganized. One can't say that was the same society, al three 
> > > times, but it was the same tradition. The Society has today two 
> > > lodges, Balder in Gothenburg and Isis in Stockholm and ca. 65 
> > > members, but very little activity. The STS has no webpage for 
> the 
> > > moment, but I think there will be one soon.
> > > 
> > > Carl
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Carl,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks. 
> > > > 
> > > > Narada Theosophical Society, yes. I knew them -- yet I did not 
> > > remember to put them in the "map". I will do so now. 
> > > > 
> > > > They are facing a law suit moved by the TS in the USA, which 
> is 
> > > aiming at their building and other assets and belongings. 
> > > > 
> > > > They have been independent for a century, though, and they 
> intend 
> > > to keep that way. 
> > > > 
> > > > There are many independent efforts like this around the world. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Carlos. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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> > > > Data:Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:52:10 -0000
> > > > 
> > > > Assunto:Theos-World Carlos, a new group for your Theosophical 
> Wold 
> > > Map!
> > > > 
> > > > > Carlos,
> > > > > I just fund a new group for your Theosophical Wold Map; "The 
> > > Narada 
> > > > > Theosophical Society". Have a look in their webpage; 
> > > > > http://www.thetheosophicalsocietyinamerica.org
> > > > > I say no more.
> > > > > 
> > > > > /Carl
> > > > > 
> > > > > Some quotes from their webpage:
> > > > > 
> > > > > "In this pursuit, Blavatsky co-founded The Theosophical 
> Society 
> > > in 
> > > > > 1874 and wrote Isis Unveiled, her first book, in 1877 while 
> > > living 
> > > > > in New York."
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Helena Blavatsky communicated with the Mahatmas in face-to-
> face 
> > > > > meetings, the first at Hyde Park in London in 1851, when she 
> > > began a 
> > > > > 17-year probationary period. After living with her master 
> > > Mahatma in 
> > > > > Tibet for three years, 1868 to 1871, she traveled to Greece 
> to 
> > > visit 
> > > > > with Mahatmas living there."
> > > > > 
> > > > > "A delivery system for Theosophy was founded 1874 with HPB 
> and 
> > > Henry 
> > > > > S. Olcott among its founders."
> > > > > 
> > > > > "At her death in 1891, Blavatsky named William Q. Judge to 
> be 
> > > her 
> > > > > personal agent in the Esoteric Section, . . ."
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Annie Besant, tireless English social reformer who had 
> become a 
> > > > > Theosophist after reading The Secret Doctrine, was 
> designated 
> > > the 
> > > > > Recorder of the Esoteric Section at the time of HPB's death. 
> > > Besant, 
> > > > > as the Esoteric Section Recorder, had been entrusted with 
> > > volumes 
> > > > > three and four of The Secret Doctrine, that HPB had prepared 
> for 
> > > > > publication at a future date. These two volumes disappeared 
> and 
> > > were 
> > > > > never seen again, although she subsequently published in 
> lieu of 
> > > > > HPB's finished work a third volume comprised of letters and 
> > > > > fragments of manuscripts that Besant herself compiled. "
> > > > > 
> > > > > "The Narada Lodge was first chartered in 1890, chartered in 
> 1895 
> > > by 
> > > > > William Q. Judge's Theosophical Society In America, 
> chartered by 
> > > > > Kathryn Tingley's Universal Brotherhood in 1898, then 
> chartered 
> > > in 
> > > > > 1899 by The American Section of Adyar."
> > > > > 
> > > > > "We at Narada Theosophical Society are only interested in 
> one 
> > > thing, 
> > > > > and that is the study of Theosophy as presented by the 
> Masters 
> > > and 
> > > > > early founders of the Theosophical Movement. We have offered 
> to 
> > > work 
> > > > > with Wheaton, but not under them. We have been autonomous 
> since 
> > > we 
> > > > > chartered with William Q. Judge on April 28-29, 1895 as The 
> > > > > Theosophical Society in America. We rechartered with the 
> > > American 
> > > > > Section, Adyar again in January 1899, with a clause in our 
> > > > > Constitution giving us legal autonomy, which they 
> recognized. We 
> > > > > were members of both Societies at the same time. We have 
> been 
> > > asked 
> > > > > many times in our past to change our bylaws by Wheaton, but 
> have 
> > > > > declined, so as to not lose our grandfathered-in charters in 
> the 
> > > > > societies. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > John Scott, Vice President
> > > > > Narada Theosophical Society"
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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