Carlos wrote: "LCC and co-masonry do not have their own buildings,
or ways to 'get' new people
outside the TS. They have to use the TS buildings, and they
generally 'feed'
or vampirize the Adyar TS in many ways, besides being a powerful
influence,
though disguised, over its leaders. They use the Ts as a façade to
get
neophites -- and they take people away from the ES, too, since they
offer
"occult status" to people, and the ES has "much less possibilities"
in that
department of Vanity."
That is not true! Maybe it is like that in Brazil, but I know for
sure, and it is easy to prove, that that not is the case in Europe
and Australia. The LCC and TS Adyar are totally separated. In some
place, they are connected hence same people belongs to both
organisations (like in Sydney), but far from every were. In Europe
the LCC today in most places has their own church buildings, and a
majority of the present LCC-bishops are not members of TS Adyar. In
Scandinavia and Germany today, only one bishop of five is a member
of TS Adyar. Here in Melbourne is only one active TS-Adyar member
(of ca 300) also member of the LCC, but she has not been active in
LCC for years. In Victoria are five LCC-priest (in different
churches), and none of them are members of TS Adyar. One of them has
been, but isn't that any longer.
There is only one "division" within Co-masonry (one Grand Lodge in
the US, and one in the UK) that are connected with TS Adyar, hence
they are working after Leadbeater's version of A.A.S.R. The other Co-
Masonic orders are not, and don't want to.
Carl
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> Konstantin,
>
> Thanks for the info and clarifications.
>
> By the end of your helpful message, you say:
>
>
> "I understand the purpose of LCC and co-masonry as to theosophize
> masonry, not to masonize or catholocize theosophy."
>
> Not at all, Konstantin. I have seen that in Brazil, in Adyar, in
the USA -- and have definite news about that from other countries,
as the UK, Netherlands, Australia, and so on. You can check it
yourself.
>
> LCC and co-masonry do not have their own buildings, or ways
to 'get' new people outside the TS. They have to use the TS
buildings, and they generally 'feed' or vampirize the Adyar TS in
many ways, besides being a powerful influence, though disguised,
over its leaders. They use the Ts as a façade to get neophites --
and they take people away from the ES, too, since they offer "occult
status" to people, and the ES has "much less possibilities" in that
department of Vanity.
>
> It has been so that TS leaders, national and international, "have"
to be masons. A 'political need' to get to power. But masons 'do
not have' to be fellows of the Adyar TS.
>
> And this structure was created by Leadbeater, mainly to defend
himself from the short term karmic consequences of his
pedophile 'love for boys' , id est, scandals. (Pedophile practices
are crimes, as you know.)
>
> After Leabeater was rightfully expelled by Henry Olcott from the
Adyar TS due to his repeated abuse of children, he had to wait less
than a year for the death of Olcott -- and then he came back using
various rituals as 'hidden political shields' against the
consequences of his criminal actions.
>
> Then the 'esoteric popery' (as foreseen in the '1900 letter') was
created.
>
> By the way: the '1900 letter' was received by A. Besant exactly
seven years before 1907, when Leadbeater came back and started
creating "theosophical" rituals. Seven years. A cycle.
>
>
> Regards, Carlos.
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Cópia:
>
> Data:Sat, 04 Nov 2006 15:53:08 -0000
>
> Assunto:Theos-World Re: Konstantin and Russia
>
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I would like to ask you a clarification about the meaning of
your
> > sentences below:
> >
> > "I think it will don't work, because at least certain leaders
violate
> > principles expressed by Leadbeater in no lesser degree than
principles
> > expressed by Blavatsky."
> >
> > I mean that those who impose worship and control obviously
follow some
> > their own principles, not the ideas of Leadbeater. They may use
some
> > his ideas for their purposes but disconnecting them from the
context,
> > it's exactly like some church leaders use some ideas from the
Gospel
> > for their selfish ends.
> >
> > Below are some quotations from CWL. Probably they are not the
best, as
> > these are the first I could find, nevertheless they reflect
clearly
> > his views on the authority of the theosophical leaders and
freedom of
> > thought:
> >
> > "I always said, "Don't believe anything just because I tell you,
> > because I am liable to make mistakes just as any human being
> > can." ...
> > That is only my personal testimony in the matter, and I should
> > not wish that any human being should base his convictions on
> > that. He may take it; if he will, as evidence, but it is not
> > proof; and he must remember that...
> >
> > "The attainment of mental freedom was a necessary step in the
process
> > of human evolution"
> >
> > "It therefore becomes the duty of every student of occultism to
> > examine carefully the religious belief of his country and his
> > period, in order that he may decide for himself what of it is
> > based upon reason and what is merely a superstitious accretion.
> > Most men never make any such effort..."
> >
> > Can we say that those leaders who are accused
in "leadbeaterianism"
> > follow these principles?
> >
> > > Are the LCC or the 'Theosophical Masonry' active there?
> >
> > None of them.
> > After all, rites play their role. Once a young man who formerly
was a
> > Satanist, came to our meetins. He disappointed in the Satanism,
but
> > our talks didn't satisfy him. It happened so that I gave a talk
about
> > freemasonry. He became deeply interested in it, and wanted to
join the
> > freemasons, where he was redirected to. I don't know whether he
was
> > accepted, as I am not a freemason myself; yet I think it would
be
> > better to direct him to the co-masonic lodge where masonry is
> > connected with a bit of theosophy, but unfortunately we have no
such
> > lodges in Russia.
> >
> > I understand the purpose of LCC and co-masonry as to theosophize
> > masonery, not to masonize or catholocize theosophy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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