Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00320)

Carlos wrote: "LCC and co-masonry do not have their own buildings, 
or ways to 'get' new people
outside the TS. They have to use the TS buildings, and they 
generally 'feed'
or vampirize the Adyar TS in many ways, besides being a powerful 
influence,
though disguised, over its leaders. They use the Ts as a façade to 
get
neophites -- and they take people away from the ES, too, since they 
offer
"occult status" to people, and the ES has "much less possibilities" 
in that
department of Vanity."

That is not true! Maybe it is like that in Brazil, but I know for 
sure, and it is easy to prove, that that not is the case in Europe 
and Australia. The LCC and TS Adyar are totally separated. In some 
place, they are connected hence same people belongs to both 
organisations (like in Sydney), but far from every were. In Europe 
the LCC today in most places has their own church buildings, and a 
majority of the present LCC-bishops are not members of TS Adyar. In 
Scandinavia and Germany today, only one bishop of five is a member 
of TS Adyar. Here in Melbourne is only one active TS-Adyar member 
(of ca 300) also member of the LCC, but she has not been active in 
LCC for years. In Victoria are five LCC-priest (in different 
churches), and none of them are members of TS Adyar. One of them has 
been, but isn't that any longer.

There is only one "division" within Co-masonry (one Grand Lodge in 
the US, and one in the UK) that are connected with TS Adyar, hence 
they are working after Leadbeater's version of A.A.S.R. The other Co-
Masonic orders are not, and don't want to.

Carl 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> Konstantin,
> 
> Thanks for the info and clarifications. 
> 
> By the end of your helpful message, you say: 
> 
> 
> "I understand the purpose of LCC and co-masonry as to theosophize 
> masonry, not to masonize or catholocize theosophy."
> 
> Not at all, Konstantin. I have seen that in Brazil, in Adyar, in 
the USA --  and have definite news about that from other countries, 
as the UK, Netherlands, Australia, and so on.    You can check it 
yourself. 
> 
> LCC and co-masonry do not have their own buildings, or ways 
to 'get' new people outside the TS.   They have to use the TS 
buildings, and they generally 'feed' or vampirize the Adyar TS in 
many ways, besides being a powerful influence, though disguised, 
over its leaders.  They use the Ts as a façade to get neophites -- 
and they take people away from the ES, too, since they offer "occult 
status" to people, and the ES has "much less possibilities" in that 
department of Vanity.  
> 
> It has been so that TS leaders, national and international, "have" 
to be masons.  A 'political need'  to get to power.  But masons 'do 
not have' to be fellows of the Adyar TS. 
> 
> And this structure was created by Leadbeater, mainly  to defend 
himself from the short term karmic consequences of his 
pedophile 'love for boys' , id est, scandals.   (Pedophile practices 
are crimes, as you know.)  
> 
> After Leabeater was rightfully expelled by Henry Olcott from the 
Adyar TS due to his repeated abuse of children, he had to wait less 
than a year for the death of Olcott -- and then he came back using 
various rituals as 'hidden  political shields' against the 
consequences of his criminal actions. 
> 
> Then the 'esoteric popery' (as foreseen in the '1900 letter')  was 
created.
> 
> By the way: the '1900 letter' was received by A. Besant exactly 
seven years before 1907, when Leadbeater came back and started 
creating "theosophical" rituals.  Seven years. A cycle.  
> 
> 
> Regards,   Carlos.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Cópia:
> 
> Data:Sat, 04 Nov 2006 15:53:08 -0000
> 
> Assunto:Theos-World Re: Konstantin and Russia
> 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > I would like to ask you a clarification about the meaning of 
your 
> > sentences below:
> > 
> > "I think it will don't work, because at least certain leaders 
violate 
> > principles expressed by Leadbeater in no lesser degree than 
principles 
> > expressed by Blavatsky."
> > 
> > I mean that those who impose worship and control obviously 
follow some 
> > their own principles, not the ideas of Leadbeater. They may use 
some 
> > his ideas for their purposes but disconnecting them from the 
context, 
> > it's exactly like some church leaders use some ideas from the 
Gospel 
> > for their selfish ends.
> > 
> > Below are some quotations from CWL. Probably they are not the 
best, as 
> > these are the first I could find, nevertheless they reflect 
clearly 
> > his views on the authority of the theosophical leaders and 
freedom of 
> > thought:
> > 
> > "I always said, "Don't believe anything just because I tell you,
> > because I am liable to make mistakes just as any human being
> > can." ...
> > That is only my personal testimony in the matter, and I should
> > not wish that any human being should base his convictions on
> > that. He may take it; if he will, as evidence, but it is not
> > proof; and he must remember that...
> > 
> > "The attainment of mental freedom was a necessary step in the 
process 
> > of human evolution"
> > 
> > "It therefore becomes the duty of every student of occultism to
> > examine carefully the religious belief of his country and his
> > period, in order that he may decide for himself what of it is
> > based upon reason and what is merely a superstitious accretion.
> > Most men never make any such effort..."
> > 
> > Can we say that those leaders who are accused 
in "leadbeaterianism" 
> > follow these principles?
> > 
> > > Are the LCC or the 'Theosophical Masonry' active there?
> > 
> > None of them.
> > After all, rites play their role. Once a young man who formerly 
was a 
> > Satanist, came to our meetins. He disappointed in the Satanism, 
but 
> > our talks didn't satisfy him. It happened so that I gave a talk 
about 
> > freemasonry. He became deeply interested in it, and wanted to 
join the 
> > freemasons, where he was redirected to. I don't know whether he 
was 
> > accepted, as I am not a freemason myself; yet I think it would 
be 
> > better to direct him to the co-masonic lodge where masonry is 
> > connected with a bit of theosophy, but unfortunately we have no 
such 
> > lodges in Russia.
> > 
> > I understand the purpose of LCC and co-masonry as to theosophize 
> > masonery, not to masonize or catholocize theosophy.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > 
> > 
> > 
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