Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00118)

About the ULT and members vs. associates. On can be a member of a 
local U.L.T.-lodge, but every lodge-member is associated in the 
Parent Lodge in Los Angeles (which a person could be without being a 
member in a particular lodge). You are associated with the Parent 
Lodge in Los Angeles, but you are not associated with your local 
lodge, there you are a member. The idea, with to have associates, is 
that there must be something that is holding the people together. 
This is the second thing, the first and most important for the ULT 
is the Declaration. But I know that there is another culture within 
the ULT in Europe, then what there is in the US when it comes to the 
use of certain words (and in several other way to). And every ULT-
lodge is a United Lodge of Theosophists, and not a local branch. I 
think, that, you Carlos, not will like this, but the ULT could more 
or less be called a lodge federation. 

Carl

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
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> Carl,
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> Thanks for the contribution.  
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> Also, the ULT has no members -- it has Associates. It is no 
corporation. It has no party line.  It is an international study-
group.  Rather a federation of free-thinkers who have HPB's and 
Judge's  philosophy in common. 
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> Regards,  Carlos. 
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> Data:Thu, 02 Nov 2006 05:00:36 -0000
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> Assunto:Theos-World Re: TOWARDS AN UPDATED WORLD MAP
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> > Comments;
> > Pasadena TS has nine sections today; seven of those are active 
in 
> > eight countries. 
> > 
> > The ULT has 25 lodges (plus some official Study Groups manly in 
the 
> > US, and so called Theosophy Groups, the last ones are not 
officially 
> > parts of the ULT, and are often new started and connected with 
the 
> > ULT) present in twelve countries. 
> > 
> > The numbers of members are not official, nether in Pasadena TS 
or 
> > ULT. One can guess, and get it more or less right, put I don't 
think 
> > that is the right thing to do.
> > 
> > Carl
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > 
> > > In the last couple of days, new information came to my mind as 
> > to "the map of the theosophical movement, worldwide". 
Especiellly on 
> > Pasadena TS and Point Loma groups. 
> > > 
> > > I will try to sum it up, broadly speaking. Corrections, 
> > additions and commentaries will be welcome. 
> > > 
> > > 1) Adyar TS -- some 30,000 members worldwide in some 50/60 
> > countries, including some 5,000 people in the USA and some 
11,000 
> > people in India; that will make some 90 or 95 of the so-
> > called 'Theosophists' worldwide ( Arcane School, Anthroposophic 
> > Society and Sudda Dharma not included in this figure, 
therefore ). 
> > The Adyar TS still has probably a few hundreds of active HPB 
> > students, who keep a distance from CWL/Besant books. These HPB 
> > students are in the UK, Mexico, Argentina and other places. 
> > > 
> > > 2) Pasadena TS -- an unknown number of people, with rather 
small 
> > groups. Some four of them are in the USA, and there are more 
groups 
> > present in some seven other countries (which makes eight 
countries 
> > with the USA). The Pasadena TS has the important Theosophical 
> > University Press, T.U.P., and several magazines (the best known 
> > being "Sunrise"). I guess the Pasadena TS is very healthy in 
> > spiritual terms, though smaller trhan I would like them to be. 
> > > 
> > > 3) United Lodge of Theosophists, ULT -- present with organized 
> > groups in some 15 countries (Brazil and Portugal, with but a few 
> > associates, not included). Several groups in the USA. Various 
> > magazines, including "Theosophy" and "The Theosophical Movement" 
> > (monthly, edited in India). Innerly healthy. As the Pasadena TS, 
it 
> > does not care for making too much propaganda and does not gets 
> > involved in conflicts. 
> > > 4) Point Loma groups -- several small groups in Germany, a few 
> > others in Europe. They are inspired by "Point Loma Publications" 
and 
> > are influenced by G. de Purucker. Also somehow present in the 
USA. 
> > My contacts with them give me a very positive view of their 
work. 
> > > 5) The Edmonton Theosophical Society -- apparently rather 
local in 
> > Edmonton city, Canada, but publishing the influential 
international 
> > magazine FOHAT in English language. Sincere theosophists. Deep 
> > students. 
> > > 6) A number of independent efforts here and there, as the 
> > influential "Biosofia" magazine in Lisbon, Portugal (led by Mr. 
José 
> > Manuel Anacleto); Mr. José Ramón Sordo's "Fundación Blavatsky", 
in 
> > Mexico, or Richard Robb's "Wizards Bookshelf" in the USA ( 
besides 
> > various others) . These three are examples of important efforts. 
> > Mr. Sordo leads various theosophical groups in Mexico. Ricard 
Robb's 
> > work is editorial, well-known worldwide, and it is now related 
to 
> > the Pasadena TS. "Biosofia" magazine is related to an important 
> > cultural institute in Portugal. 
> > > 7) The Arcane School, World Goodwill and related 
groups/efforts 
> > who promote planetary citizenship and support to the United 
Nations 
> > work. they azre inspired by Alice Bailey's books. Their membes 
do 
> > not call themselves "theosophists", but have interesting views 
> > about universal brotherhood and other universalist concepts. 
They 
> > recognize HPB as one of their inspiring sources. Present in 
several 
> > countries, including Brazil. It has some influence over members 
of 
> > the Adyar TS. 
> > > 8) Anthroposophic Society and its related Waldorf Schools. 
This 
> > is a German originated split from the Theosophical Society. 
> > Present in various countries besides Germany -- including 
Brazil, 
> > where they have several books edited in Portuguese language. 
> > Interesting work to know. 
> > > 9) Suddha Dharma Mandalam -- a Theosophical split in India, 
> > originated by 1917 from Adyar. It is an esoteric school in more 
> > than one way, created around the expectation of a "Kalki Avatar" 
who 
> > could be an Indian counterpart to Westernized and Christianized 
J. 
> > Krishnamnurti (an L.C.C. "Christ"). In South America, Sudda 
Dharma 
> > Mandalam started in Chile, and later had some force in Brazil, 
with 
> > several organized groups here. Now very weak where it is not 
> > inactive. Latent. Yet its ex-members keep their identity and 
their 
> > lives' inspiration. Have their own version of the B. Gita and 
work 
> > with their own version of Raja Yoga. Interesting. I have known 
> > soime serious, well-disciplined members. 
> > > OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
> > > The way I sense it, the 'real nucleus" of the theosophical 
> > movement by now is made of HPB/Masters students in the Pasadena 
TS, 
> > ULT, Adyar TS, Edmonton TS, Point Loma Groups and various 
> > independent groups/initiatives around the world led by HPB 
students, 
> > in most cases HPB/Judge students. 
> > > 
> > > Yet Arcane shool and similar movements should rather not be 
> > ignmored in my view.
> > > 
> > > Even the Ancient and Mystic Rosicrucian Order (AMORC) should 
> > probably be mentioned, as it has a relation (in its origin and 
> > views), with the theosophical movement. I am certainly leaving 
> > other groups aside out of lack of information or remembrance. 
> > > 
> > > This is an unrevised spontaneous report. It was not prepared 
in 
> > my library, where all documents are. It is but part of the map 
of 
> > the movement as it stands in my mind's eye this afternoon ( 6: 
30 
> > p. m., Brazilian time now). 
> > > 
> > > As I said earlier, commentaries and corrections are most 
welcome. 
> > > 
> > > You can see that the movement, broadly speaking, is not too 
> > small. 
> > > 
> > > Yet we should improve it as much as we can in our present 
> > lifetimes. 
> > > 
> > > Regards, Carlos. 
> > > 
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