Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00117)

Gregory, Friends, 


Thanks.

It seems there is an unspoken  premise in your reasoning, Gregory.   

The premise is that 'everything that is private' should be made 'public' for the sake of the curiosity of people whose motivations, motives and intentions are as varied as Life in the universe. 

Yet just as in individual life there are some private things to preserve, so in some collective spiritual efforts there are also levels which are private and can be preserved, if the people involved so freely decide. 

Did not Jesus, in the New Testament, say that his talks for the multitude were of one kind, while his approach to his few accepted disciples was  quite different?

Can you have respect for that approach, which is much older than just 2,000 years, Gregory? 

On the other hand, some inner spiritual experiences simply cannot be put in words -- even if one would like and would try to. 

The same happens to all deeper psychological experiences.  Can you put into words the deepest feelings you have for your children? Or for your "best half" in life? Can you put into words your appreciation for the tremendous beauty of a Sun rise, or your appreciation for the beauty of the Ocean, or for  the beauty of the sky at night?  

No, you can't.  And you cannot put into words your spiritual experiences either.  Not everything can be acessed through the left brain hemisphere.


The matter of the fact is that people who are united by a common spiritual purpose naturally create a "common (magnetic) ground".  

People united by similar spiritual purposes have  always got together in more or less private circles, so that the same or similar experiences could be shared and understood. 

There is nothing wrong about that,  and it can be respected by intelligent people --  scholars and non-scholars alike. 

The reasons why I openly discuss the Adyar TS  Egyptian Rite,  or the Adyar TS Masonry, include: 

* These organizations feed,  in a clandestine and unfair way,  in the wider  Adyar TS; 

* They have been created by the pseudoclairvoyant and pedophile Charles Leadbeater as political-control devices.   As watered-down and weakened as it is, I rarely discuss the Adyar TS Esoteric Section. And for a cause.  

So I suggest Gregory that he could try to perceive the wide difference between Esoteric Schools (whose central aim is to strengthen the path of self-knowledge in its members) and ritualistic mayavic practices  whose central goal is the political control of a movement. 

The secretive Egyptian Rite, for instance, seems to have been created right after one major Leadbeater/Wedgwood  scandal and crisis in Australia.  

Can modern scholars perceive the legitimacy of private circles, once their goal is self-knowledge by each individual and not ritualistic control of Societies turned out to be simply disguised Churches? 


Please note  that the NT Jesus did not create any "Church".  But he had his own esoteric school. ( I can bring the NT quotations here).

What is, then, the problem with esoteric schools?  

This is written in bona fide. 


Regards,  Carlos. 




 
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Data:Fri, 3 Nov 2006 00:28:13 +1100 (EST)

Assunto:Theos-World ULT claims and counterclaims

> All the drama about the ULT, the DES, claims and counterclaims (including
> Carlos' claims of lack of evidence) can be simply dealt with.
> 
> Someone from within the ULTand/or DES can simply, clearly and
> unequivocally answer the following questions:
> 
> (1) did Crosbie claim authority from HPB, the Masters or any other being
> (Being?) for the establishment of the ULT or the DES? If so, from whom
> (Whom?) and on the basis of what evidence?
> (2) did Crosbie claim communication with HPB and/or the Masters? If so, on
> the basis of what evidence?
> (3) does a DES, associated with the ULT or some or any of its members,
> exist? Does it claim to be a successor of or to possess any continuity
> with or authority from HPB's ES? If so, on the basis of what authority
> does it make this claim?
> (4) will the ULT make its archives open to scholars recognized in the
> field of Theosophical history? If not, why not?
> (5) will the DES make its archives open to scholars recognized in the
> field of Theosophical history? If not, why not?
> (6) if any claims relating to the DES on theos-talk are incomplete,
> inaccurate or misleading, will the DES correct them? If not, why not?
> (7) who is the current head of the DES to whom questions can be directed?
> 
> It seems to me that these questions require short, honest, straightforward
> answers (some of them "yes" or "no") rather than pages of apologetic text.
> I might note that I put equivalent questions to the Adyar TS/ES and
> received answers. I might further note that the answer to (4) was yes (I
> had access), to (5) was no - because they are confidential and to (7) was
> Radha Burnier (who declined to answer questions!).
> 
> I might further suggest that if the ULT/DES declines to answer the
> questions, they might answer a further question: why won't you answer
> these questions?
> 
> Dr Gregory Tillett
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