Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00017)

Carl,

Thanks. I did not know that. 

In Brazil, the LCC priests have an influence on the Adyar TS and one of them presides it in the purest brand of Leadbeater's and Wedgwood's style. 

I understand LCC is also influential in the USA,  UK, Australia,  and the Netherlands. They are probably tolerated in Adyar.  Tell me if I am wrong. 

They are usually also  involved in the so-called "theosophical masonry", created by John Algeo with support from Ms. Radha Burnier, as a split of 
"Le Droit Humain".   


Carlos.  



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Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: Fairness in presentation, Liberal Cath. Church

> One most has to be clear of that there exist several different LCC-
> groups. Some of those are "friendly" whit the Adyar-society, and 
> some are not. They are not always even friendly whit each other.
> 
> Carl
> 
> The following are from Wikipedia.
> 
> About the Schisms in LCC
> 
> 
> First Schism
> 
> In 1941, there was a schism in the Liberal Catholic Church in the 
> United States, surrounding a controversy involving Bishop Charles 
> Hampton, who, while he was himself a theosophist, wished to keep 
> adherence to theosophical tenets optional for the clergy. This was 
> in keeping with what was taken to be the original intent of the 
> church's founders, who, although they were theosophists, wanted the 
> church to remain primarily Catholic and to be open to everyone. 
> While some branches of the church place more esoteric, lifestyle and 
> dietary restrictions on the clergy, the church as a whole did not, 
> and still does not, require membership in the Theosophical Society.
> 
> Legal battle
> 
> The controversy surrounding Bishop Hampton led to a legal battle in 
> the United States which eventually split into two different 
> divsions, both of which claimed to be the Liberal Catholic Church. 
> Frank W. Pigott, the church's 3rd Presiding Bishop in England, who 
> held to a more theosophical ideal for the church, removed Hampton 
> and then ordered the confiscation of certain church property at the 
> Regionary headquarters in California and forced the resignation of 
> those clergy under Hampton who refused to support his new episcopal 
> replacement. At the time, the majority of Liberal Catholics in the 
> United States supported Hampton and saw his removal from the office 
> of Regionary and the other subsequent precedings as a breach of 
> canon law and a violation of some of the laws of California under 
> which the church had been incorporated in America. These clergy 
> continued on their own and won the right to be called the Liberal 
> Catholic Church in the U.S. (while being called the Liberal Catholic 
> Church International in the rest of the world). Those who followed 
> Bishop Pigott in England became known in America as The Liberal 
> Catholic Church, Province of the United States of America. Both 
> divisions have similar structures of government and administration.
> After Frank W. Pigott retired as the Presiding Bishop, and after 
> attempts at a reconcilation, some of the clergy in the LCCI returned 
> to The Liberal Catholic Church, Province of the United States of 
> America. Bishop Hampton died before the litigation was settled. 
> While some clergy wish for more cooperation between the two 
> Divisions, they still exist independently.
> 
> Second Schism?
> 
> In 2003 there was another schism in the Liberal Catholic Church 
> worldwide. The main issues in this split was the ordination of women 
> to the Holy Orders. Again, as in the case of the first schism, it is 
> difficult to say who continues the tradition and who is the 
> schismatic. What is certain is that some parishes in the Dutch, 
> Belgium and Canada provinces who represented the "liberal" wing of 
> the Liberal Catholic Church worldwide broke away from the "mother 
> church" still using the name The Liberal Catholic Church even though 
> they left the church. The "mother church" opened "The Order of Our 
> Lady" for women seeking ordinations in 2000. Since both groups call 
> themselves The Liberal Catholic Church, distinguishing between the 
> two can be confusing. Significantly, in 2004 Regionary Bishop for 
> Sweden, Sten-Bertil Jakobson declared for the right of women to be 
> ordained, and he joined the newly formed movement in the Netherlands 
> and Belgium. He was followed by the Liberal Catholic Congregations 
> in Austria, Demnark, Germany, Cameroon, and both Congos. Several new 
> congregations have been formed in England and the USA. The 
> membership of this movement is estimated to exceed 50,000 members.
> At their General Episcopal Synod in 2004, the Liberal Catholic 
> Church International also began the ordination of women up to and 
> including the Order of Bishop.
> In 1982 Ernest W. Jackson had resigned from Province of Canada and 
> started a group called The Liberal Catholic Church - Theosophia 
> Synod. The group was always very small, but on May 15, 2005, under 
> the leadership of John Schwarz III, they joined with the progressive 
> Dutch, Belgium and Canada branch of the LCC. The Theosophia Synod no 
> longer maintains a separate existence.
> 
> Differences of the Divisions
> 
> The General Episcopal Synod of The Liberal Catholic Church worldwide 
> requires its clergy to believe in such theosophical tenets as 
> reincarnation and the ascended masters. It encourages its priests 
> and its bishops to have a vegetarian diet and to refrain from using 
> tobacco as well as alcohol. Significantly it also continues to 
> require deacons, priests and bishops to be male. In this regard, The 
> Liberal Catholic Church follows the same practise as the Roman 
> Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches. The Liberal 
> Catholic Church International does not as a group require any belief 
> in theosophical tenets, while it continues to accept them if they 
> are the personal choice of the individual. Since 2004, the Liberal 
> Catholic Church International opens the ordination of women to all 
> Holy Orders up to and including bishop. The Liberal Catholic Church 
> (Dutch, Belgium, Britain and Canada), retains the emphasis on the 
> theosophical tenets, but practices ordination of women to Holy 
> Orders and requires its clergy to hold the ordination of women as a 
> matter of church belief
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Barnhart" 
> wrote:
> >
> > The Church of St. Francis ,The Liberal Catholic Church in Villa 
> Park, Illinois, USA is about 5 miles or 7km from Wheaton, 
> Illinois,USA where the headquarters of 
> > the Theosophical Society In America {with International 
> Headquarters Adyar, (Madras), India] is located. 
> > 
> > It is worthwhile to look at the Links on the church's web site 
> http://www.liberalcatholic.com/ as they link to the Adyar website 
> of http://www.anandgholap.net writings of Besant and Leadbeater. 
> Also the link to Besant's "THE ANCIENT WRITINGS" the first 
> paragraph in the Preface says:
> > This book is intended to place in the hands of the general reader 
> an epitome of theosophical teachings, sufficiently plain to serve 
> the elementary student, and sufficiently full to lay a sound 
> foundation for further knowledge. It is hoped that it may serve as 
> an introduction to the profounder works of H.P.Blavatsky, and be a 
> convenient steppingstone to their study.
> > 
> > 
> > One may also note that the church website has a link to Quest 
> Books, the publishing arm of The T.S. in America w/ headquarters 
> Adaro. 
> > 
> > Now, is there any question remaining of the intertwining of The 
> Liberal Catholic Church and The T.S. In America-Adyar ???
> > 
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