Theos-Talk Archives (October 2006 Message tt00399)

Selfish occultist is a contradiction in itself.

-Mark H.

carlosaveline wrote:
> Daniel,
>
> Why should I accept your narrow and bleak agenda of obsession about 
> "selfish occultists"?
>
> I limit myself to try and show you that you could collect better 
> things than
> phrases about "selfishness occultists"; just as you could do better 
> things than publicizing slanders against the founders, etc., and so on.
>
> Regards, Carlos.
>
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> Cópia:
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> Data:Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:06:50 -0000
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> Assunto:Theos-World What Carlos does NOT do.....Concerning the 2 
> Quotations
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> > It is interesting that Carlos does not deal directly with the
> > quotations under consideration and the circumstances under which they
> > saw the light in print.
> >
> > Does Carlos consider these quotations "bogus" and "phoney"?
> >
> > HADJI ERINN (apparently William Q. Judge, one of the founders of the
> > Theosophical Society) writes in THE PATH, August 1889, page 142:
> >
> > "It has been well said by H.P. Blavatsky that 'each one has a
> > potential black magician within.'"
> >
> > See context of quote at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36511 
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36511>
> >
> > This statement was made while Mr. Judge was alive and editor of THE
> > PATH and also while H.P. Blavatsky was alive and even reading issues
> > of THE PATH.
> >
> > One would think that if this statement is misleading or bogus or
> > false that either Mr. Judge or Madame Blavatsky herself would have
> > written something indicating that H.P. Blavatsky NEVER SAID such a
> > false thing, etc., etc.
> >
> > We can look at this time period and see that Madame Blavatsky herself
> > was not shy about speaking up and correcting misinformation.
> >
> > I didn't make this quote up and only found it by accident. Once
> > found, I thought it was certainly RELEVANT to what Julia Ver
> > Planck had written just the month before (July 1889) in THE PATH.
> >
> > On the second page (p. 98) of her lead article, Julia writes:
> >
> > "What is our present Duty? Hear the words of the Master. 'Judge
> > the action, not the person. You never know the true motives. Never
> > judge human nature on its lowest level. Every one has a potential
> > Dugpa in him.' "
> >
> > Julia adds a footnote to this quote:
> >
> > "Dugpa, black magician; one devoted wholly to self. This [quotation
> > above] and other quotations [later in this same article] are from
> > the private letters of the Adept."
> >
> > Let us set the two quotes together:
> >
> > "Each one has a potential black magician within."
> >
> > "Every one has a potential Dugpa in him."
> >
> > Now previously Jake in no uncertain terms declared the second
> > quote "pure Dugpa BS" and says it is from a "pseudo-Teacher."
> >
> > What does he think of the first quote attributed by Judge to Madame
> > Blavatsky?
> >
> > Is this more "pure Dugpa BS" from a "pseudo-Teacher"??
> >
> > I would think these are fairly obvious questions that more than one
> > person has asked in reading the postings on this subject.
> >
> > Yet Jake is silent on the matter and Carlos has tried very hard to
> > distract and avoid the subject.
> >
> > That is fine. That is their right. But the questions remain.
> >
> > What if Madame Blavatsky really did say what Mr. Judge attributes to
> > her and what if the quote from the Master is really from one of HPB's
> > Masters, possibly even transmitted thru H.P. Blavatsky herself? If
> > that is true, how do we understand what Jake has said about the one
> > quote being "pure dugpa BS" and from a "pseudo-Teacher"?
> >
> > And if Jake, for example, might say that he has the right to come to
> > his own views and decisions, then one might compare and contrast this
> > to the Prayag Letter where both Col. Olcott and Mrs. Besant
> > considered the letter "phoney", "bogus" and not actually from HPB's
> > real Master.
> >
> > And furthermore and more importantly perhaps, how do these quotations
> > and the teachings implied in these two quotations RELATE to other
> > Theosophical teachings as given by Mme. Blavatsky and the Masters?
> >
> > What is the true meaning of these two quotations and how should
> > students try to understand them?
> >
> > Daniel
> > http://hpb.cc
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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