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Re: Theos-World Better than Obsession About Dark Things

Oct 26, 2006 05:48 PM
by Mark Hamilton Jr.


Selfish occultist is a contradiction in itself.

-Mark H.

carlosaveline wrote:

Daniel,

Why should I accept your narrow and bleak agenda of obsession about "selfish occultists"?

I limit myself to try and show you that you could collect better things than
phrases about "selfishness occultists"; just as you could do better things than publicizing slanders against the founders, etc., and so on.

Regards, Carlos.

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Cópia:

Data:Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:06:50 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World What Carlos does NOT do.....Concerning the 2 Quotations

> It is interesting that Carlos does not deal directly with the
> quotations under consideration and the circumstances under which they
> saw the light in print.
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> Does Carlos consider these quotations "bogus" and "phoney"?
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> HADJI ERINN (apparently William Q. Judge, one of the founders of the
> Theosophical Society) writes in THE PATH, August 1889, page 142:
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> "It has been well said by H.P. Blavatsky that 'each one has a
> potential black magician within.'"
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> See context of quote at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36511 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36511>
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> This statement was made while Mr. Judge was alive and editor of THE
> PATH and also while H.P. Blavatsky was alive and even reading issues
> of THE PATH.
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> One would think that if this statement is misleading or bogus or
> false that either Mr. Judge or Madame Blavatsky herself would have
> written something indicating that H.P. Blavatsky NEVER SAID such a
> false thing, etc., etc.
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> We can look at this time period and see that Madame Blavatsky herself
> was not shy about speaking up and correcting misinformation.
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> I didn't make this quote up and only found it by accident. Once
> found, I thought it was certainly RELEVANT to what Julia Ver
> Planck had written just the month before (July 1889) in THE PATH.
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> On the second page (p. 98) of her lead article, Julia writes:
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> "What is our present Duty? Hear the words of the Master. 'Judge
> the action, not the person. You never know the true motives. Never
> judge human nature on its lowest level. Every one has a potential
> Dugpa in him.' "
>
> Julia adds a footnote to this quote:
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> "Dugpa, black magician; one devoted wholly to self. This [quotation
> above] and other quotations [later in this same article] are from
> the private letters of the Adept."
>
> Let us set the two quotes together:
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> "Each one has a potential black magician within."
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> "Every one has a potential Dugpa in him."
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> Now previously Jake in no uncertain terms declared the second
> quote "pure Dugpa BS" and says it is from a "pseudo-Teacher."
>
> What does he think of the first quote attributed by Judge to Madame
> Blavatsky?
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> Is this more "pure Dugpa BS" from a "pseudo-Teacher"??
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> I would think these are fairly obvious questions that more than one
> person has asked in reading the postings on this subject.
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> Yet Jake is silent on the matter and Carlos has tried very hard to
> distract and avoid the subject.
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> That is fine. That is their right. But the questions remain.
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> What if Madame Blavatsky really did say what Mr. Judge attributes to
> her and what if the quote from the Master is really from one of HPB's
> Masters, possibly even transmitted thru H.P. Blavatsky herself? If
> that is true, how do we understand what Jake has said about the one
> quote being "pure dugpa BS" and from a "pseudo-Teacher"?
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> And if Jake, for example, might say that he has the right to come to
> his own views and decisions, then one might compare and contrast this
> to the Prayag Letter where both Col. Olcott and Mrs. Besant
> considered the letter "phoney", "bogus" and not actually from HPB's
> real Master.
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> And furthermore and more importantly perhaps, how do these quotations
> and the teachings implied in these two quotations RELATE to other
> Theosophical teachings as given by Mme. Blavatsky and the Masters?
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> What is the true meaning of these two quotations and how should
> students try to understand them?
>
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
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