Theos-Talk Archives (October 2006 Message tt00402)

Mark,

You say:

"Selfish occultist is a contradiction in itself."


Well, in Occultism, as you know, words can only have their meanings 
told by their own living context in each case and there are not 
frozen meanings as in dictionaries. 

There is a false occultism, so to say, which goes through the false 
way of selfishness.

Obviously enough, it is in this sense that I mention "selfish 
occultists".

You might prefer naming these people otherwise, and if you do I 
think I can accept that. Why not? 

I hope we are able to understand each other and do not need to keep 
explaining our words!  

Regards,   Carlos. 





 






--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Hamilton Jr." 
<waking.master@...> wrote:
>
> Selfish occultist is a contradiction in itself.
> 
> -Mark H.
> 
> carlosaveline wrote:
> >
> > Daniel,
> >
> > Why should I accept your narrow and bleak agenda of obsession 
about 
> > "selfish occultists"?
> >
> > I limit myself to try and show you that you could collect better 
> > things than
> > phrases about "selfishness occultists"; just as you could do 
better 
> > things than publicizing slanders against the founders, etc., and 
so on.
> >
> > Regards, Carlos.
> >
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:theos-talk%
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> >
> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:theos-talk%
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> >
> > Cópia:
> >
> > Data:Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:06:50 -0000
> >
> > Assunto:Theos-World What Carlos does NOT do.....Concerning the 2 
> > Quotations
> >
> > > It is interesting that Carlos does not deal directly with the
> > > quotations under consideration and the circumstances under 
which they
> > > saw the light in print.
> > >
> > > Does Carlos consider these quotations "bogus" and "phoney"?
> > >
> > > HADJI ERINN (apparently William Q. Judge, one of the founders 
of the
> > > Theosophical Society) writes in THE PATH, August 1889, page 
142:
> > >
> > > "It has been well said by H.P. Blavatsky that 'each one has a
> > > potential black magician within.'"
> > >
> > > See context of quote at:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36511 
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36511>
> > >
> > > This statement was made while Mr. Judge was alive and editor 
of THE
> > > PATH and also while H.P. Blavatsky was alive and even reading 
issues
> > > of THE PATH.
> > >
> > > One would think that if this statement is misleading or bogus 
or
> > > false that either Mr. Judge or Madame Blavatsky herself would 
have
> > > written something indicating that H.P. Blavatsky NEVER SAID 
such a
> > > false thing, etc., etc.
> > >
> > > We can look at this time period and see that Madame Blavatsky 
herself
> > > was not shy about speaking up and correcting misinformation.
> > >
> > > I didn't make this quote up and only found it by accident. Once
> > > found, I thought it was certainly RELEVANT to what Julia Ver
> > > Planck had written just the month before (July 1889) in THE 
PATH.
> > >
> > > On the second page (p. 98) of her lead article, Julia writes:
> > >
> > > "What is our present Duty? Hear the words of the Master. 'Judge
> > > the action, not the person. You never know the true motives. 
Never
> > > judge human nature on its lowest level. Every one has a 
potential
> > > Dugpa in him.' "
> > >
> > > Julia adds a footnote to this quote:
> > >
> > > "Dugpa, black magician; one devoted wholly to self. This 
[quotation
> > > above] and other quotations [later in this same article] are 
from
> > > the private letters of the Adept."
> > >
> > > Let us set the two quotes together:
> > >
> > > "Each one has a potential black magician within."
> > >
> > > "Every one has a potential Dugpa in him."
> > >
> > > Now previously Jake in no uncertain terms declared the second
> > > quote "pure Dugpa BS" and says it is from a "pseudo-Teacher."
> > >
> > > What does he think of the first quote attributed by Judge to 
Madame
> > > Blavatsky?
> > >
> > > Is this more "pure Dugpa BS" from a "pseudo-Teacher"??
> > >
> > > I would think these are fairly obvious questions that more 
than one
> > > person has asked in reading the postings on this subject.
> > >
> > > Yet Jake is silent on the matter and Carlos has tried very 
hard to
> > > distract and avoid the subject.
> > >
> > > That is fine. That is their right. But the questions remain.
> > >
> > > What if Madame Blavatsky really did say what Mr. Judge 
attributes to
> > > her and what if the quote from the Master is really from one 
of HPB's
> > > Masters, possibly even transmitted thru H.P. Blavatsky 
herself? If
> > > that is true, how do we understand what Jake has said about 
the one
> > > quote being "pure dugpa BS" and from a "pseudo-Teacher"?
> > >
> > > And if Jake, for example, might say that he has the right to 
come to
> > > his own views and decisions, then one might compare and 
contrast this
> > > to the Prayag Letter where both Col. Olcott and Mrs. Besant
> > > considered the letter "phoney", "bogus" and not actually from 
HPB's
> > > real Master.
> > >
> > > And furthermore and more importantly perhaps, how do these 
quotations
> > > and the teachings implied in these two quotations RELATE to 
other
> > > Theosophical teachings as given by Mme. Blavatsky and the 
Masters?
> > >
> > > What is the true meaning of these two quotations and how should
> > > students try to understand them?
> > >
> > > Daniel
> > > http://hpb.cc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > >
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