Theos-Talk Archives (October 2006 Message tt00383)

Daniel,

Why should I accept your narrow and bleak agenda of obsession about "selfish occultists"? 

I limit myself to try and show you  that you could collect better things than 
phrases about "selfishness occultists";  just as you could do better things than publicizing slanders against the founders, etc., and so on. 


Regards,   Carlos. 


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Data:Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:06:50 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World What Carlos does NOT do.....Concerning the 2 Quotations

> It is interesting that Carlos does not deal directly with the 
> quotations under consideration and the circumstances under which they 
> saw the light in print.
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> Does Carlos consider these quotations "bogus" and "phoney"?
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> HADJI ERINN (apparently William Q. Judge, one of the founders of the 
> Theosophical Society) writes in THE PATH, August 1889, page 142:
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> "It has been well said by H.P. Blavatsky that 'each one has a
> potential black magician within.'"
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> See context of quote at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36511
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> This statement was made while Mr. Judge was alive and editor of THE 
> PATH and also while H.P. Blavatsky was alive and even reading issues 
> of THE PATH.
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> One would think that if this statement is misleading or bogus or 
> false that either Mr. Judge or Madame Blavatsky herself would have 
> written something indicating that H.P. Blavatsky NEVER SAID such a 
> false thing, etc., etc.
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> We can look at this time period and see that Madame Blavatsky herself 
> was not shy about speaking up and correcting misinformation.
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> I didn't make this quote up and only found it by accident. Once 
> found, I thought it was certainly RELEVANT to what Julia Ver 
> Planck had written just the month before (July 1889) in THE PATH.
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> On the second page (p. 98) of her lead article, Julia writes:
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> "What is our present Duty? Hear the words of the Master. 'Judge
> the action, not the person. You never know the true motives. Never
> judge human nature on its lowest level. Every one has a potential
> Dugpa in him.' "
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> Julia adds a footnote to this quote:
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> "Dugpa, black magician; one devoted wholly to self. This [quotation
> above] and other quotations [later in this same article] are from
> the private letters of the Adept."
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> Let us set the two quotes together:
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> "Each one has a potential black magician within."
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> "Every one has a potential Dugpa in him."
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> Now previously Jake in no uncertain terms declared the second 
> quote "pure Dugpa BS" and says it is from a "pseudo-Teacher."
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> What does he think of the first quote attributed by Judge to Madame 
> Blavatsky?
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> Is this more "pure Dugpa BS" from a "pseudo-Teacher"??
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> I would think these are fairly obvious questions that more than one 
> person has asked in reading the postings on this subject.
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> Yet Jake is silent on the matter and Carlos has tried very hard to 
> distract and avoid the subject.
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> That is fine. That is their right. But the questions remain.
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> What if Madame Blavatsky really did say what Mr. Judge attributes to 
> her and what if the quote from the Master is really from one of HPB's 
> Masters, possibly even transmitted thru H.P. Blavatsky herself? If 
> that is true, how do we understand what Jake has said about the one 
> quote being "pure dugpa BS" and from a "pseudo-Teacher"? 
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> And if Jake, for example, might say that he has the right to come to 
> his own views and decisions, then one might compare and contrast this 
> to the Prayag Letter where both Col. Olcott and Mrs. Besant 
> considered the letter "phoney", "bogus" and not actually from HPB's 
> real Master. 
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> And furthermore and more importantly perhaps, how do these quotations 
> and the teachings implied in these two quotations RELATE to other 
> Theosophical teachings as given by Mme. Blavatsky and the Masters?
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> What is the true meaning of these two quotations and how should 
> students try to understand them?
> 
> Daniel
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