Theos-Talk Archives (October 2006 Message tt00294)

A Personal Opinion on a Very Queer Question


    I've been wanting to write something on this
for a while, so think I will do so. It could be
called "esoteric," I think.  So, if you aren't
"esoteric," don't worry about it.


     Nobody writes about homosexuals in relation 
to theosophy, because it is far too dangerous 
to do so, Homosexuals being a very large 
"vested interest."  Does Theosophy have any 
specific teachings in regard to them?  No.  
Nothing is said anywhere in the primary literature.  
It is "2 Lo 2 go," and brings elevated concepts 
down into the muck of lower life - so this 
Post is personal opinion.  Buddhism has a 
precept agains "improper sexual action," and 
the Dalai Lama condemned oral sex in an "Out" 
magazine interview (Feb-March, 1994) It is 
an important issue, and affects the whole 
movement, mostly at its more esoteric level 
- which where the real life of the Theosophical 
Movement comes from.  Throughout original 
Theosophical literature there is the undercurrent 
of the necessity of living a clean and moral 
life.  In the 19th century any reference to 
morality and homosexuals was unnecessary, for 
one thing, as it was common accepted truth 
that it was immoral.  Today that is not the 
case and the gay lifestyle and politics is almost 
a religion.  The militant gay holds his gay 
status more important than religion, politics 
or anything else (certainly more important 
than Theosophy!)  The question could be ignored 
in the 19th century, but can it today?


     Why is this all important to Theosophy?  
In my opinion because: (1) any group that 
has a significant number of openly homosexuals 
in it is DONE FOR, as far as the genuine 
normal population being attracted.  (I remember 
the Buddhist event I went too, with the two 
gay guys greeting each other with squeals, 
and hugs.)  (2) The homosexual, unless he 
can rise above or indifferent to it, has 
his two higher principles paralyzed.  It is 
incompatible with any type of Theosophical 
"Inner Group."  The probationary chela "Fern" 
in the MLs is said to have had his two higher 
principles paralyzed - from Jesuit training 
when he was young.  (MLs, p. 330, TUP)  It's 
the same thing, but from a different source.  
Lower manas has to be open to higher manas 
and buddhi, and this requires generally a basic 
purity in lower manas and the lower self, and 
in sex matters this means celibacy or heterosexuality
- 
which are in tune with healthy human psychology 
and Mother Nature, homosexuality is not.  (3)  
I think possibly one could say that homosexuals 
have Wrecked the whole theosophical movment.  
It might be possibly to breakdown the major 
splits in Theosophical groups of the gays 
vs. the straights, and the types of philosophies 
they are inclined to accept.  One can certainly 
find a basis for this in Leadbeater-based 
Neo-Theosophy at Adyar VS. Original Theosophy 
at ULT and Point Loma.  (Tingley was very 
anti-homosexual, and Leadbeater and Wedgewood, 
et. al. and their Liberal Catholic Church, 
masonry and sex-teachings were homosexuals 
and sympathizers.)


        I remember reading an account 
somewhere that Blavatsky had a deprecatory 
nick-name for Leadbeater in reference to 
his homosexuality (or pedophilia) - but can't 
find the source.  Purucker refered to homosexuals 
somewhere, I believe, as an abnormality or 
something to be pitied, sometimes an 
evolutionary throw-back.  


      I joined an esoteric group about 30 
years ago, and the Teacher's idea was that 
the only way to go if one was really Serious, 
was to be celibate.  This isn't easy, wrecked 
life with the girlfriend, and set me to mulling 
occassionally over the whole sex-question for 
the last 30+ years.  The results of which I 
think I got a lot of answers,  some answers I 
have to think were "shown" to me in one way 
or another, because I don't see how I could 
come up with the answers on my own.  Some 
general observations follow.


   How does a person become a homosexual?  
Is it something they are born with?  I 
think at least half are born with the skandas 
or karmic tendency, which is something they 
can't help.  Where does this come from?  Its 
the karmic result of previous degeneracy, 
for one source, I think.  The hedonist becomes 
jaded and looks for more and more extremes 
for kicks.  Just normal sex doesn't work 
anymore and they fool their minds and experiment 
more and more.  Several hollywood stars come 
to mind - who could have any woman or man 
they wanted - but became homosexuals.  Also, 
people have all and any type of thoughts, 
at least occassionally, and if in unhealthy 
passivity.  Naive persons who have an occassional 
queer thought, become obesessed with the idea 
that they are queer, when it should just be 
ignored or forced out.  People also get 
obssessed.  A male obsessed with a female 
bhut (dead "shell" of someone who died early), 
can become or urged by it to become queer, 
and vice-versa.  I know one case, I think, 
of a young woman whose drug-addicted father 
died, and then she became queer.  What modern 
psychologist would even consider such a thing!   
Personally, I believe there is no such thing 
in nature as a homosexual, but only arising 
from various human-imposed causes.


   Purucker says somewhere that the more 
one is attracted to the opposite sex (and 
acts on it), the more he becomes like the 
opposite sex.  This is how it is determined 
if one is reincarnated as a male or female.  
The hedonist gradually becomes like the 
opposite sex, so the most "manly" or "womanly" 
person is the celibate.  If one gradually, 
even in a normal lifestyle becomes and 
reincarnates as the opposite sex, then there 
must be a certain sort of "neutral point" 
that is reached, and a person is born in a 
male or female body, but is actually under-sexed 
and "neutral" about sex more than most persons.  
This could be a blessing, but the more asexual 
person - especially nowdays - is convinced 
by various propaganda that he is actually 
homo-sexual instead of moreso neutral-sexual.  
(You Have to be a sex-machine one way or 
another! says modern psychology and media!)  
How may young confused people who don't know 
what to do with all the errant thoughts 
put in their heads (put there by gay propaganda) 
are convinced they are "gay" and Ruin their 
whole lives - when they might have lived a 
relatively normal life otherwise and even 
cured themselves!!  Believing the Politically 
Correct propaganda that being a homosexual 
is "just another healthy choice" - how many 
100,000 young people have irrevocably entered 
a lifestyle in which they are innerly-tortued 
for life, many committing suicide directly 
or in other ways???


   In the world in general the homosexuals 
are a "vested interest."  Speak out in a 
significant way about the suicidal immorality 
of Society endorsing homosexual lifestyle, and 
see what happens to you.  A lot are 
intelligent people, and a middle-class phenomenom, 
and "gays" work together as interest groups.  
They permeate the social-work system, the 
medical system, and the police departments.  
(Try being helpless in a hospital, when the 
"gay-network" there of a couple hundred finds 
out that you are a loathe-some "homo-phob." 
[or "homo-disgusto"])  People become irrational 
when a "hot-spot" is poked.  We all have them.  
Some psychological complex where we are 
vulnerable and out of harmony with ourselves
and nature, and when it is "poked" we feel 
raped.  "Passion-crimes" are committed when 
people's hot-spots get poked.  


          So, is this a call for a pogrom 
on homosexuals.  No, of course not.  Most are 
decent people, and try to be so (excepting 
the prison-types.)  There is nothing in Theosophy 
or Buddhism that says sick people can't join, 
as long as they don't wreck things.  'And we 
are most ALL sick in one form or another.  
One's open-mindedness and compassion is used 
against oneself and theosophy, as often as 
for it.   But we are in the truth business 
- not self-destructive make-believe for the 
sake of social harmony, or social consequences 
of knowing the real truth - for ourselves 
at least.


                           - jake j.


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