Theos-Talk Archives (October 2006 Message tt00085)

Daniel,

Thanks. 

I don't remember saying the portraits are "secret".

I said they are dated in the 19th century, oudated, and clearly  desmagnetized, which was not the case while they were used in the inner circle of pledged aspirants.  

I also said that Adepts can't be found at the physical level, with the use of portraits or travelling to Tibet. 

If Adepts are not at the physical level, as they wrote, so there can be no such thing as the physical portrait of an Adept, as there is a wide difference between the tool and the worker. 


Regards,   Carlos. 


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Assunto:Theos-World Carlos on The Portraits of the Masters

> Carlos,
> 
> In regards to what you write below, the portraits of the Masters
> that we are discussing have been published in various books and have 
> been available to the PUBLIC for scores of years. Long before you 
> and I were born!!!
> 
> (1) The portrait of KH can be found in a book issued by Mrs. 
> Katherine Tingley.
> 
> (2) The portraits of both KH and M are also reproduced in THE 
> PHOENIX by Manly Palmer Hall.
> 
> (3) The portraits of the two masters are also in a Franz Hartmann 
> book. I will have to look up this title.
> 
> (4) These portraits are also reproduced in the book WHO WROTE THE 
> MAHATMA LETTERS? by H.E. Hare and W.L. Hare 
> 
> (5) Also in MADAME BLAVATSKY by John Symonds.
> 
> (5) Also in recent years in THE JUDGE CASE by Ernest Pelletier!!!!
> 
> and in a number of other books and magazines.
> 
> For at least 100 years they have been available to the public and 
> are therefore not secret.
> 
> Many years ago, I discovered beautiful and much better quality 
> reproductions of these two portraits of the Masters KH and M. Since 
> I was privileged to have had access to these better reproductions, I 
> wanted to share with other interested persons these reproductions 
> and I decided to publish them on my website.
> 
> The copies on my website are much better quality reproductions than 
> what you find in any of the above listed books including Pelletier's 
> THE JUDGE CASE.
> 
> I'm sorry if you do not approve of their publication but that is 
> your opinion and although you are entitled to it, I have made the 
> decision to allow interested students free access to these 
> portraits. They are part of the historical record of Madame 
> Blavatsky's life and work and certainly not "outdated". 
> 
> Interested readers can see them (and even larger reproductions) at:
> 
> http://mahatmas.net
> http://koothoomi.net
> http://morya.net
> 
> Daniel
> Blavatsky Study Center
> http://hpb.cc
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Daniel,
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Sometimes you are really accurate.
> > 
> > You are quite right in saying:
> > 
> > "... in the year 1890 H.P.B. decided to allow her esoteric 
> > students to have copies of the portraits of the Masters for their 
> > personal use."
> > 
> > And I underline: "her esoteric students". 
> > 
> > As long as I know, Daniel, you are not Blavatsky, and internet 
> readers are not Blavatsky's esoteric students. 
> > 
> > HPB never allowed such photos to be published, let alone be put 
> into the internet. 
> > 
> > So, while universal truths are the same in the year 1890 or a 
> thousand years later, the PRIVATE use of those portraits by pledged 
> members of an authentic esoteric school in 1890 has nothing to do 
> with distributing them in the internet in 2006, for the general 
> public to relate to those now outdated and desmagnetized portraits 
> as if they were the portraits of "Jesus" or "Elvis". 
> > 
> > I underline: desmagnetized. Sorry to let you know that. 
> > 
> > Anyway, I am not sure you are helping the movement by downgrading 
> the idea of Mahatmas, as if Adepts were Adepts at the physical 
> level, which they wrote and said they are not. 
> > 
> > "Elvis did not die"?? 
> > 
> > Why not publishing Elvis Presley's portraits in your websites, 
> and leaving the Adepts alone for a change? 
> > 
> > I make this proposition/suggestion sincerely. I hope in the 
> future you will take the idea into serious consideration. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards, Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
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> > Data:Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:57:46 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Carlos on "Meditating on physical images?"
> > 
> > > Carlos,
> > > 
> > > You write:
> > > 
> > > ===============================================
> > > Esoteric Philosophy teaches us that the name is not the thing -- 
> > > and, obviously, the old outdated portrait of the physical 
> vehicle of 
> > > an adept is not the adept. 
> > > 
> > > Better get in touch with one's own inner conscience and higher 
> > > self...
> > > ===============================================
> > > 
> > > Well, I think most of us would agree with your statement 
> that "the 
> > > physical vehicle of an adept is not the adept." HPB even says 
> that 
> > > in more than one place in her writings.
> > > 
> > > But that statement ["the physical vehicle of an adept is not the 
> > > adept"] was as true in 1890 as it is today in 2006, right?
> > > 
> > > And when you write in 2006:
> > > 
> > > "Better get in touch with one's own inner conscience and higher 
> > > self..."
> > > 
> > > Well, in 1890, wasn't this statement of yours just as true?
> > > 
> > > Yet it was in the year 1890 H.P.B. decided to allow her esoteric 
> > > students to have copies of the portraits of the Masters for 
> their 
> > > personal use.
> > > 
> > > At that time there were approximately 1000 students in H.P.B.'s 
> > > Esoteric School.
> > > 
> > > So my question was and is:
> > > 
> > > Why was H.P. Blavatsky allowing in 1890 this number of students 
> to
> > > have access and copies of the portraits of the Masters??
> > > 
> > > In other words, why was HPB allowing her students to have 
> portraits 
> > > of the physical vehicles of the adepts Morya and Koot Hoomi?
> > > 
> > > You appear to pooh-pooh these "portraits" and you describe them 
> as 
> > > the "old outdated" portraits of the Masters.
> > > 
> > > But Carlos, in what year did the portraits of the Masters become
> > > "outdated"???
> > > 
> > > And what do you mean by "outdated" in reference to the portaits 
> of 
> > > the Masters?
> > > 
> > > But again ----WHY was H.P. Blavatsky allowing in 1890 her ES 
> > > students to have access and copies of the portraits of the 
> Masters 
> > > if all you write at the beginning of this posting is true?
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > > http://hpb.cc
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