Theos-Talk Archives (September 2006 Message tt00048)

Carlos,

What prompted this outburst of yours?

Well, so much for TRUCES and taking the higher road
and dealing with theosophical subjects, etc.

Is this your way of distracting from the important
issues being discussed?

I thought Theos-Talk had become a better place where
present day students were not calling each other names
and resorting to ad hominem argument.

It is sad to see this kind of display once again
on Theos-Talk.

I ask Eldon Tucker once again to post his request
to all posters to refrain from such name-calling and
ad hominem "attacks".

Daniel

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> Daniel,
> 
> 
> Others will interested in "David Green" and other frauds made by 
you, 
> Daniel Cadlwell. 
> 
> Carlos. 
> 
> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Cópia:
> 
> Data:Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:47:12 -0000
> 
> Assunto:Theos-World Carlos on "NOT AGAIN?"
> 
> > Carlos,
> > 
> > I wanted to quote for interested readers H.P. Blavatsky's OWN 
VIEWS 
> > about judging the letters of the Masters. 
> > 
> > Maybe you are not that interested in what she wrote on the 
subject.
> > But I am and I believe some other students are or may be.
> > 
> > I am also suggesting that what HPB wrote may also have some 
> > relevance to what Jake and others have been writing about the KH 
> > quotes under discussion.
> > 
> > From my point of view, this subject matter is as important today 
as 
> > it was when she wrote it.
> > 
> > Daniel
> > http://hpb.cc
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Daniel,
> > > 
> > > Yes, but after Vernon Harrison, and having the texts and books 
> > written by Michael Gomes and Leslie Price, among others, there 
is 
> > no need any longer for that.
> > > 
> > > We are not in 1888 any more. We are in the seconde semester of 
> > 2006. Everyone with a working brain knows, by now, HPB was an 
> > authentic person. 
> > > 
> > > Regards, Carlos. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > 
> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > 
> > > Cópia:
> > > 
> > > Data:Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:00:42 -0000
> > > 
> > > Assunto:Theos-World H.P. Blavatsky on the Letters of the 
Masters: 
> > Part 2
> > > 
> > > > In Oct. 1888, Madame Blavatsky must have felt it necessary to
> > > > discuss openly and publicly the following issue in the pages 
of 
> > > > LUCIFER where she writes:
> > > > 
> > > > ==========================================================
> > > > ...We have been asked by a correspondent why he should 
not "be 
> > free
> > > > to suspect some of the so-called 'precipitated' letters as 
being
> > > > forgeries," giving as his reason for it that while some of 
them 
> > bear
> > > > the stamp of (to him) undeniable genuineness, others seem 
from 
> > their
> > > > contents and style, to be imitations. 
> > > > 
> > > > This is equivalent to saying that he has such an unerring 
> > spiritual 
> > > > insight as to be able to detect the false from the true, 
though 
> > he 
> > > > has never met a Master, nor been given any key by which to 
test 
> > his 
> > > > alleged communications. The inevitable consequence of 
applying 
> > his 
> > > > untrained judgment in such cases, would be to make him as 
likely 
> > as 
> > > > not to declare false what was genuine, and genuine what was 
> > false. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thus what criterion has any one to decide between 
> > one "precipitated" 
> > > > letter, or another such letter? 
> > > > 
> > > > Who except their authors, or those whom they employ as
> > > > their amanuenses (the chelas and disciples), can tell? For 
it is
> > > > hardly one out of a hundred "occult" letters that is ever 
> > written by
> > > > the hand of the Master, in whose name and on whose behalf 
they 
> > are
> > > > sent, as the Masters have neither need nor leisure to write 
them;
> > > > and that when a Master says, "I wrote that letter," it means 
only
> > > > that every word in it was dictated by him and impressed 
under his
> > > > direct supervision. Generally they make their chela, whether 
> > near or
> > > > far away, write (or precipitate) them, by impressing upon 
his 
> > mind
> > > > the ideas they wish expressed, and if necessary aiding him 
in the
> > > > picture-printing process of precipitation. It depends 
entirely 
> > upon
> > > > the chela's state of development, how accurately the ideas 
may be
> > > > transmitted and the writing-model imitated. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thus the non-adept recipient is left in the dilemma of 
> > uncertainty, 
> > > > whether, if one letter is false, all may not be; for, as far 
as 
> > > > intrinsic evidence goes, all come from the same source, and 
are 
> > > > brought by the same mysterious means. 
> > > > 
> > > > But there is another, and a far worse condition implied. For 
all 
> > > > that the recipient of "occult" letters can possibly know, 
and on 
> > the 
> > > > simple grounds of probability and common honesty, the unseen 
> > > > correspondent who would tolerate one single fraudulent line 
in 
> > his 
> > > > name, would wink at an unlimited repetition of the
> > > > deception. 
> > > > 
> > > > And this leads directly to the following. All the so-
> > > > called occult letters being supported by identical proofs, 
they 
> > have
> > > > all to stand or fall together. If one is to be doubted, then 
all
> > > > have, and the series of letters in the "Occult 
World," "Esoteric
> > > > Buddhism," etc., etc., may be, and there is no reason why 
they
> > > > should not be in such a case - frauds, "clever impostures,"
> > > > and "forgeries," such as the ingenuous though stupid agent 
> > [Richard 
> > > > Hodgson] of the "S.P.R." has made them out to be, in order 
to 
> > raise 
> > > > in the public estimation the "scientific" acumen and 
standard of
> > > > his "Principals."...
> > > > 
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> > > > 
> > > > Quoted from:
> > > > http://theosophytrust.org/tlodocs/articlesHPB.php?
> > > > d=hpb/LodgesOfMagic.htm&p=109
> > > > 
> > > > Daniel
> > > > http://hpb.cc
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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