Theos-Talk Archives (September 2006 Message tt00050)

Daniel,

If you want to talk about frauds, well, why not starting with the ones you commited?  


Otherwise, let's talk about Theosophy.  Why not coming back to the truce? 

Best regards,  Carlos. 


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Data:Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:44:13 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: Daniel Green Dollar

> Carlos,
> 
> What prompted this outburst of yours?
> 
> Well, so much for TRUCES and taking the higher road
> and dealing with theosophical subjects, etc.
> 
> Is this your way of distracting from the important
> issues being discussed?
> 
> I thought Theos-Talk had become a better place where
> present day students were not calling each other names
> and resorting to ad hominem argument.
> 
> It is sad to see this kind of display once again
> on Theos-Talk.
> 
> I ask Eldon Tucker once again to post his request
> to all posters to refrain from such name-calling and
> ad hominem "attacks".
> 
> Daniel
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Daniel,
> > 
> > 
> > Others will interested in "David Green" and other frauds made by 
> you, 
> > Daniel Cadlwell. 
> > 
> > Carlos. 
> > 
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Cópia:
> > 
> > Data:Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:47:12 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Carlos on "NOT AGAIN?"
> > 
> > > Carlos,
> > > 
> > > I wanted to quote for interested readers H.P. Blavatsky's OWN 
> VIEWS 
> > > about judging the letters of the Masters. 
> > > 
> > > Maybe you are not that interested in what she wrote on the 
> subject.
> > > But I am and I believe some other students are or may be.
> > > 
> > > I am also suggesting that what HPB wrote may also have some 
> > > relevance to what Jake and others have been writing about the KH 
> > > quotes under discussion.
> > > 
> > > From my point of view, this subject matter is as important today 
> as 
> > > it was when she wrote it.
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > > http://hpb.cc
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Daniel,
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, but after Vernon Harrison, and having the texts and books 
> > > written by Michael Gomes and Leslie Price, among others, there 
> is 
> > > no need any longer for that.
> > > > 
> > > > We are not in 1888 any more. We are in the seconde semester of 
> > > 2006. Everyone with a working brain knows, by now, HPB was an 
> > > authentic person. 
> > > > 
> > > > Regards, Carlos. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > 
> > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > 
> > > > Cópia:
> > > > 
> > > > Data:Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:00:42 -0000
> > > > 
> > > > Assunto:Theos-World H.P. Blavatsky on the Letters of the 
> Masters: 
> > > Part 2
> > > > 
> > > > > In Oct. 1888, Madame Blavatsky must have felt it necessary to
> > > > > discuss openly and publicly the following issue in the pages 
> of 
> > > > > LUCIFER where she writes:
> > > > > 
> > > > > ==========================================================
> > > > > ...We have been asked by a correspondent why he should 
> not "be 
> > > free
> > > > > to suspect some of the so-called 'precipitated' letters as 
> being
> > > > > forgeries," giving as his reason for it that while some of 
> them 
> > > bear
> > > > > the stamp of (to him) undeniable genuineness, others seem 
> from 
> > > their
> > > > > contents and style, to be imitations. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is equivalent to saying that he has such an unerring 
> > > spiritual 
> > > > > insight as to be able to detect the false from the true, 
> though 
> > > he 
> > > > > has never met a Master, nor been given any key by which to 
> test 
> > > his 
> > > > > alleged communications. The inevitable consequence of 
> applying 
> > > his 
> > > > > untrained judgment in such cases, would be to make him as 
> likely 
> > > as 
> > > > > not to declare false what was genuine, and genuine what was 
> > > false. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thus what criterion has any one to decide between 
> > > one "precipitated" 
> > > > > letter, or another such letter? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Who except their authors, or those whom they employ as
> > > > > their amanuenses (the chelas and disciples), can tell? For 
> it is
> > > > > hardly one out of a hundred "occult" letters that is ever 
> > > written by
> > > > > the hand of the Master, in whose name and on whose behalf 
> they 
> > > are
> > > > > sent, as the Masters have neither need nor leisure to write 
> them;
> > > > > and that when a Master says, "I wrote that letter," it means 
> only
> > > > > that every word in it was dictated by him and impressed 
> under his
> > > > > direct supervision. Generally they make their chela, whether 
> > > near or
> > > > > far away, write (or precipitate) them, by impressing upon 
> his 
> > > mind
> > > > > the ideas they wish expressed, and if necessary aiding him 
> in the
> > > > > picture-printing process of precipitation. It depends 
> entirely 
> > > upon
> > > > > the chela's state of development, how accurately the ideas 
> may be
> > > > > transmitted and the writing-model imitated. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thus the non-adept recipient is left in the dilemma of 
> > > uncertainty, 
> > > > > whether, if one letter is false, all may not be; for, as far 
> as 
> > > > > intrinsic evidence goes, all come from the same source, and 
> are 
> > > > > brought by the same mysterious means. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But there is another, and a far worse condition implied. For 
> all 
> > > > > that the recipient of "occult" letters can possibly know, 
> and on 
> > > the 
> > > > > simple grounds of probability and common honesty, the unseen 
> > > > > correspondent who would tolerate one single fraudulent line 
> in 
> > > his 
> > > > > name, would wink at an unlimited repetition of the
> > > > > deception. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > And this leads directly to the following. All the so-
> > > > > called occult letters being supported by identical proofs, 
> they 
> > > have
> > > > > all to stand or fall together. If one is to be doubted, then 
> all
> > > > > have, and the series of letters in the "Occult 
> World," "Esoteric
> > > > > Buddhism," etc., etc., may be, and there is no reason why 
> they
> > > > > should not be in such a case - frauds, "clever impostures,"
> > > > > and "forgeries," such as the ingenuous though stupid agent 
> > > [Richard 
> > > > > Hodgson] of the "S.P.R." has made them out to be, in order 
> to 
> > > raise 
> > > > > in the public estimation the "scientific" acumen and 
> standard of
> > > > > his "Principals."...
> > > > > 
> ==============================================================
> > > > > 
> > > > > Quoted from:
> > > > > http://theosophytrust.org/tlodocs/articlesHPB.php?
> > > > > d=hpb/LodgesOfMagic.htm&p=109
> > > > > 
> > > > > Daniel
> > > > > http://hpb.cc
> > > > > 
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