Theos-Talk Archives (September 2006 Message tt00045)

Daniel,


Others will interested in "David Green" and other frauds made by you, 
Daniel Cadlwell. 

Carlos. 

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Data:Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:47:12 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Carlos on "NOT AGAIN?"

> Carlos,
> 
> I wanted to quote for interested readers H.P. Blavatsky's OWN VIEWS 
> about judging the letters of the Masters. 
> 
> Maybe you are not that interested in what she wrote on the subject.
> But I am and I believe some other students are or may be.
> 
> I am also suggesting that what HPB wrote may also have some 
> relevance to what Jake and others have been writing about the KH 
> quotes under discussion.
> 
> From my point of view, this subject matter is as important today as 
> it was when she wrote it.
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Daniel,
> > 
> > Yes, but after Vernon Harrison, and having the texts and books 
> written by Michael Gomes and Leslie Price, among others, there is 
> no need any longer for that.
> > 
> > We are not in 1888 any more. We are in the seconde semester of 
> 2006. Everyone with a working brain knows, by now, HPB was an 
> authentic person. 
> > 
> > Regards, Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
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> > Data:Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:00:42 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World H.P. Blavatsky on the Letters of the Masters: 
> Part 2
> > 
> > > In Oct. 1888, Madame Blavatsky must have felt it necessary to
> > > discuss openly and publicly the following issue in the pages of 
> > > LUCIFER where she writes:
> > > 
> > > ==========================================================
> > > ...We have been asked by a correspondent why he should not "be 
> free
> > > to suspect some of the so-called 'precipitated' letters as being
> > > forgeries," giving as his reason for it that while some of them 
> bear
> > > the stamp of (to him) undeniable genuineness, others seem from 
> their
> > > contents and style, to be imitations. 
> > > 
> > > This is equivalent to saying that he has such an unerring 
> spiritual 
> > > insight as to be able to detect the false from the true, though 
> he 
> > > has never met a Master, nor been given any key by which to test 
> his 
> > > alleged communications. The inevitable consequence of applying 
> his 
> > > untrained judgment in such cases, would be to make him as likely 
> as 
> > > not to declare false what was genuine, and genuine what was 
> false. 
> > > 
> > > Thus what criterion has any one to decide between 
> one "precipitated" 
> > > letter, or another such letter? 
> > > 
> > > Who except their authors, or those whom they employ as
> > > their amanuenses (the chelas and disciples), can tell? For it is
> > > hardly one out of a hundred "occult" letters that is ever 
> written by
> > > the hand of the Master, in whose name and on whose behalf they 
> are
> > > sent, as the Masters have neither need nor leisure to write them;
> > > and that when a Master says, "I wrote that letter," it means only
> > > that every word in it was dictated by him and impressed under his
> > > direct supervision. Generally they make their chela, whether 
> near or
> > > far away, write (or precipitate) them, by impressing upon his 
> mind
> > > the ideas they wish expressed, and if necessary aiding him in the
> > > picture-printing process of precipitation. It depends entirely 
> upon
> > > the chela's state of development, how accurately the ideas may be
> > > transmitted and the writing-model imitated. 
> > > 
> > > Thus the non-adept recipient is left in the dilemma of 
> uncertainty, 
> > > whether, if one letter is false, all may not be; for, as far as 
> > > intrinsic evidence goes, all come from the same source, and are 
> > > brought by the same mysterious means. 
> > > 
> > > But there is another, and a far worse condition implied. For all 
> > > that the recipient of "occult" letters can possibly know, and on 
> the 
> > > simple grounds of probability and common honesty, the unseen 
> > > correspondent who would tolerate one single fraudulent line in 
> his 
> > > name, would wink at an unlimited repetition of the
> > > deception. 
> > > 
> > > And this leads directly to the following. All the so-
> > > called occult letters being supported by identical proofs, they 
> have
> > > all to stand or fall together. If one is to be doubted, then all
> > > have, and the series of letters in the "Occult World," "Esoteric
> > > Buddhism," etc., etc., may be, and there is no reason why they
> > > should not be in such a case - frauds, "clever impostures,"
> > > and "forgeries," such as the ingenuous though stupid agent 
> [Richard 
> > > Hodgson] of the "S.P.R." has made them out to be, in order to 
> raise 
> > > in the public estimation the "scientific" acumen and standard of
> > > his "Principals."...
> > > ==============================================================
> > > 
> > > Quoted from:
> > > http://theosophytrust.org/tlodocs/articlesHPB.php?
> > > d=hpb/LodgesOfMagic.htm&p=109
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > > http://hpb.cc
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