Theos-Talk Archives (August 2006 Message tt00537)

Before one can form an opinion, all sides of the argument must be looked at.  This has nothing to do with hating Muslims/Islam but in discernment.  Enslaving the whole world - give me a break. Do you realise it costs more to keep a person  enslaved.  Just heard today on CNN that the Iraki widows, if lucky enough to get it, receive $60 a month to keep their families going, with no guarantee that the $60 is coming every month.

Cass

logos_student2000 <logos_student2000@yahoo.com> wrote:                                  I've seen this video months ago somewhere else.  This lady wants 
 freedom from Shiara law and I don't blame her.  These Islamists have 
 completely basterdised the true meaning of Islam!
 
 On the other hand, I heard her mentioning the false 2 choices 
 between radical Islam and demon-cracy.  Both are wrong; both are 
 false choices.  Although, she may prefer the Western World (as do I) 
 over Shaira law, I donpt think she knows what she's saying when she 
 claims its about Islam being in the past and America being in the 
 future.  
 
 If the Fabians/Globalists/zionists/Jesuits have it their way and 
 they destroy the Islamic world, they will be in a position to 
 enslave the entire globe with no resistance.  This is why they 
 divide the Jews, Christians ansd Muslims up - first it was 
 Communists who were evil and now it's Islamo-fascists who are evil.  
 The Islamic world certainly have issues but "fascist" is certainly 
 not what they are!  
 
 Today, we have 2 parents working, kids being raised by Fox news and 
 sit-coms - basically by the state, the families cannot afford trips 
 to Florida every uyear.  So what happened?  Well, let me tell you:
 
 Rockefeller supported the womans worker movement ONLY because he 
 felt that 50% of the populace (the woman who were at home raising 
 strong families) were not paying income tax!  in the 1950's most 
 American families could have only the man of the house working, the 
 wife stays home and raisies the children, visits her neibours etc, 
 and the family had 2 cars, could afford trips to Florida every year 
 and had a house paid off with a Pension fund they could count on.  
 
 They fund Homosexuality to destroy the family, not to assist people 
 who are gay, they fund environmental movemets to restrict your 
 freedom to food and gas and how much airconditioning to use.  They 
 support the Womans worker movement not to allow woamns to work but 
 to get income tax and help destroy the family.  
 
 This lady in the video mentioned a clash of civ's. I strongly 
 disagree with her!  Islamic nations do not support fractional 
 reserve banking which destroys nations and that is a good thing. 
 They don't fluorinate their waters, they don't hide Kosher labels 
 on products so that 98% of the public (who do not want Kosher) have 
 to pick up the charge.  No sir, they actually labal their Halal 
 clearly - unlike Kosher.  They treat their slaves better than our 
 leaders treat us.  They don't create killer diseases, they don't put 
 cancer virus' in any vaccines because they don;t usually bother 
 pushing any vaccines.  And at least they don't write SICK DISGUSTING 
 books like Prince Phillip did which was titled "If I were an animal" 
 (I beleive) which in it he states how he wants to re-incarnate as a 
 deadly virus and exterminate 95% of the total world populace to thus 
 bring us back into balance with nature.  Insane?  
 
 These are our leaders folks and they really don't need all us 
 useless eaters when they can get by with a few million slaves - 
 trust me, abortion and the Club of Rome are in perfect harmony 
 because murdering children daily is ok, to prevent too many useless 
 eaters but Africa had too many babies and so AIDS and EBOLA just 
 happen to occur........RIGHT.  And their vaccinations prgrams are 
 nothing less than a mass extermiantion program and don't ask me, ask 
 the people in the African nations!     
 
 Hope you all enjoy hating Islam.  But replacing a corrupted form 
 of Allah worship with JAhve is not going to solve anything.   
 
 --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
 >
 > Subject: Al Jazeera television
 >       
 >  Here is a powerful and amazing statement on Al Jazeera 
 television.  The woman is Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist 
 from Los  Angeles. I would suggest watching it ASAP because I don't 
 know how  
 > long the link will be active, (put this site in your address  
 bar).  
 >   
 >  http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=null
 > 
 > 
 > leonmaurer@... wrote:                                  Dallas, 
 scribe, et al,
 >  
 >  Please accept my original answers to Scribe's question as being 
 with respect 
 >  to the physical evolutionary changes that would be obvious from 
 a "Darwinist" 
 >  or scientific materialist's point of view -- which denies the 
 existence of the 
 >  higher order astral and mental fields separate from (but 
 connected 
 >  metaphysically to) the physical brain itself.
 >  
 >  Apparently, then, with respect to Dallas' references to the 
 theosophical 
 >  truths -- we could say that Man's expanded brain might come 
 first -- since the 
 >  "lighting up of Manas" or mind of the former animal-man would 
 induce thought, 
 >  which would excite the brain's neurons and cause the cerebellum 
 to expand and 
 >  grow accordingly.   
 >  
 >  This new thinking ability, both rational and intuitive, would, in 
 turn, 
 >  generate new ideas that would eventually require the capability 
 for producing 
 >  imagined   and mentally planned artifacts such as clothing, 
 weapons, and shelters 
 >  that would be inspired by Man's physical needs for surviving in a 
 hostile world 
 >  -- further accelerating the growth of the cerebellum.   
 >  
 >  Thus, the evolutionary changes due to mental thought imagery that 
 would aid 
 >  in the "survival of the fittest" through the use of these 
 artifacts, would 
 >  also, through such focussed visualizations and willful intent, 
 transform the 
 >  astral field energies into magnetic holograph images that would 
 start attracting 
 >  physical matter so as to form the necessary changes in the 
 physical form -- such 
 >  as the opposed thumb necessary for grasping and making tools to 
 use in making 
 >  those artifacts. 
 >  
 >  (Incidentally, this manner of evolutionary change and growth -- 
 since it is 
 >  analogous and   corresponding to the genesis of the universe from 
 the absolute 
 >  zero-point "singularity" -- may answer the question," Which came 
 first, the 
 >  chicken or the egg.":-)
 >  
 >  The encoding of these changes in the surviving DNA would then 
 spread through 
 >  the human population coenergetically (i.e., by inductive 
 resonance processes) 
 >  by means of the "morphogenetic fields," such as those described 
 by Ruppert Sh
 >  eldrake -- which would be analogous to the higher order, 
 coadunate but not 
 >  consubstantial coenergetic fields of the scientifically 
 consistent ABC theory that 
 >  is based on the identical theosophical metaphysics described in 
 the book of 
 >  Dzyan and outlined in the Secret Doctrine.
 >  
 >  Hope this adds some additional clarity to the way evolution works.
 >  
 >  Lenny 
 >  
 >  In a message dated 8/16/06 11:32:46 AM, dalval14@... writes:
 >  
 >  > 8/16/2006 5:40 AM
 >  > 
 >  > Friends:
 >  > 
 >  > May I observe in regard to your discussion?
 >  > 
 >  > As I see it:  I quote from what you write :
 >  > 
 >  > If the "the most important physical change that distinguishes 
 Man from
 >  > the animals was the development of the opposed thumb. " is 
 chosen as a
 >  > physical criterion, then that unique power or intelligence, or 
 consciousness
 >  > which controls and directs the "opposed thumb" ought to be 
 identified and
 >  > investigated.  How and where does it arise.? Who guides it?  
 If "I" am the
 >  > perceiver and director -- then I am always responsible -- and I 
 weave my
 >  > personal Karma from all the choices made in the past, and being 
 made now by
 >  > an act of my will.  When was this change to conscious 
 perception and the
 >  > potentiality for a responsive choice started for we -- who are 
 the MANASIC
 >  > MONADS ?  THEOSOPHY calls it "The LIGHTING UP OF MANAS."   [ 
 Quotes:
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > "...the Manasa Devas who endowed man with the consciousness of 
 his immortal
 >  > soul:  that consciousness which hinders man "from foreseeing 
 death," and
 >  > makes him know he is immortal.
 >  > ( Fn.: --  The monad of the animal is as immortal as that of 
 man, yet the
 >  > brute knows nothing of this;  it lives an animal life of 
 sensation just as
 >  > the first human would have lived, when attaining physical 
 development in the
 >  > Third Race, had it not been for the Agnishwatta, and the Manasa 
 Pitris.")
 >  > [Myth of Prometheus, further explained.]        SD II 525
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > "Every form on earth and every speck (atom) in Space strives in 
 its efforts
 >  > towards self-formation to follow the model placed for it in 
 the "Heavenly
 >  > Man"...Its [atom's] involution and evolution, its external and 
 internal
 >  > growth and development, have all one and the same object--man;  
 man is the
 >  > highest physical and ultimate form on this earth;  the MONAD in 
 the absolute
 >  > totality and awakened condition--as the culmination of the 
 divine
 >  > incarnations on Earth."        S D I 183
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > "...a law inexorable, by which man lifts himself by degrees 
 from the state
 >  > of a beast to the glory of a God. The rapidity with which this 
 is done is
 >  > different with every living soul;  and the wretches who hug the 
 primitive
 >  > task master,  misery, choose to go slowly through the       
 tread-mill
 >  > course which may give them innumerable lives of physical 
 sensation-- whether
 >  > pleasant or painful, well-beloved because tangible to the very 
 lowest
 >  > senses.  The Theosophist
 >  > who desires to enter upon occultism takes some of Nature's 
 privileges into
 >  > his own hands, by that very wish, and soon discovers that 
 experiences come
 >  > to him with double quick rapidity.  His business is then to 
 recognize that
 >  > he is under--to him--new and swifter law of Development, and to 
 snatch at
 >  > the lessons that come to him...He sees that it takes a very 
 wise man to do
 >  > good works without danger of doing incalculable harm.  A highly 
 developed
 >  > adept in life may grasp the nettle, and by his great intuitive 
 powers, know
 >  > whom to relieve from pain and whom to leave in the mire that is 
 their best
 >  > teacher...None of us know the darkness which lurks in the 
 depths of our own
 >  > being until some strange and unfamiliar experience rouses the 
 whole being
 >  > into action...The ignorant doing of good works may be vitally 
 injurious...it
 >  > is not the spirit of self-sacrifice, or of devotion, or of 
 desire to help
 >  > that is lacking, but the strength to acquire knowledge and 
 power and
 >  > intuition, so that the deeds done shall really be worthy of the
 >  > "Buddha-Christ" spirit."          HPB ART, I, p.76-7
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > "The whole individuality is centred in the three middle 
 Principles or third
 >  > (MANAS), and fifth (ASTRAL BODY) principles.  During earthly 
 life it is all
 >  > in the fourth (KAMA-MANAS), the center of energy, volition--
 will...the
 >  > individuality survives...to run its seven-fold and upward 
 course [ it ] has
 >  > to assimilate to itself the eternal-life power residing but in 
 the seventh
 >  > (ATMA), and then blend the three (4th, 5th & 7th) into one--the 
 6th
 >  > (BUDDHI).  Those who succeed in doing so become Buddhas, Dhyan 
 Chohans,
 >  > etc...  The chief object of our struggle and initiations is to 
 achieve this
 >  > union while yet on this earth."    M L  (Barker), pp. 77-8
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > "...unless the higher Self or Ego gravitates towards its Sun--
 the Monad--the
 >  > lower Ego, or personal Self, will have the upper hand in every 
 case.  For it
 >  > is this Ego, with its fierce selfishness and animal desire to 
 live a
 >  > Senseless life (Tanha), which is the "maker of the tabernacle," 
 as Buddha
 >  > calls it in Dhammapada..."     SD II 110
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > "...[the Agnishwatta Pitris] were destined to incarnate as the 
 Egos of the
 >  > forthcoming crop of Mankind.  The human Ego is neither Atman 
 nor Buddhi, but
 >  > the higher Manas:  the intellectual fruition and the 
 efflorescence of the
 >  > intellectual self-conscious Egotism--in the higher spiritual 
 sense.  The
 >  > ancient works refer to it as Karana Sarira on the plane of the 
 Sutratma,
 >  > which is the golden thread on which, like beads, the various 
 personalities
 >  > of this higher Ego are strung...these beings were RETURNING 
 NIRVANEES, from
 >  > preceding Maha-Manvantaras--ages of incalculable 
 duration..."        S D
 >  > II 79
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > "...the "Ego" in man is a monad that has gathered to itself 
 innumerable
 >  > experiences through aeons of time, slowly unfolding its latent 
 potencies
 >  > through plane after plane of matter.  It is hence called 
 the "eternal
 >  > pilgrim."
 >  > 
 >  > The Manasic, or mind principle, is cosmic and universal.  It is 
 the creator
 >  > of all forms, and the basis of all law in nature.  Not so with
 >  > consciousness.  Consciousness is a condition of the monad as a 
 result of
 >  > embodiment in matter and the dwelling in a physical form.
 >  > Self-consciousness, which from the animal plane looking upward 
 is the
 >  > beginning of perfection, from the divine plane looking 
 downwards is the
 >  > perfection of selfishness and the curse of separateness.  it is 
 the "world
 >  > of illusion" that man has created for himself.  "Maya is the 
 perceptive
 >  > faculty of every Ego which considers itself a Unit, separate 
 from and
 >  > independent of the One Infinite and Eternal Sat or 'be-ness'," 
 (SD I 329)
 >  > The "eternal pilgrim" must therefore mount higher, and flee 
 from the plane
 >  > of self-consciousness it has struggled so hard to reach."    
 WQJ  Art I
 >  > p. 29
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > ". man's spirit while not individual per se, yet preserves its 
 distinct
 >  > individuality in Paranirvana, owing to the accumulation in it 
 of the
 >  > aggregates, or skandhas that have survived after each death, 
 from the
 >  > highest faculties of the Manas. 
 >  > 
 >  > The most spiritual--i.e., the highest and divinest aspirations 
 of every
 >  > personality follow Buddhi and the Seventh Principle into 
 Devachan (Swarga)
 >  > after the death of the Monad...the individuality of the spirit-
 soul...is
 >  > preserved to the end of the great cycle (Maha-Manwantara) when 
 each Ego
 >  > enters Paranirvana, or is merged in Parabrahm...however long 
 the "night of
 >  > Brahma" or even the Universal Pralaya...yet, when it ends, the 
 same
 >  > individual Divine Monad resumes its majestic path of evolution, 
 though on a
 >  > higher, hundredfold perfected and more pure chain of earths 
 (266) than
 >  > before, and brings with it all the essence of compound 
 spiritualities from
 >  > its previous countless rebirths."    HPB ARTICLES  III  265-6
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > "... SPIRITUAL SOUL OR BUDDHI, in close union with Manas, the
 >  > mind-principle, without which it is no Ego at all, but only the 
 Atmic
 >  > Vehicle. (passive agent)..."Buddhi becomes conscious by the 
 accretions it
 >  > gets from Manas after every new incarnation an death of 
 man."    (SD I 244)
 >  > [see HPB Art. III, 265 ]    Key p. 176
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > "BUDDHI...The faculty of cognizing the channel through which 
 divine
 >  > knowledge reaches the Ego, the discernment of good and 
 evil, "divine
 >  > consciousness,"  "Spiritual Soul,"  the vehicle of Atma."  SD I 
 xix
 >  > [see also SD I 17 119, 244, 570, 453;  Key 175-6]    
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > "OUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS ONE AND NOT MANY, nor different from other
 >  > consciousness.  It is not waking consciousness, sleeping 
 consciousness, or
 >  > any other but consciousness itself... the consciousness of each 
 person is
 >  > the Witness or Spectator of the actions and experiences of 
 every state we
 >  > are in or pass through.  It therefore follows that the waking 
 condition of
 >  > the mind is not separate consciousness. 
 >  > 
 >  > The one consciousness pierces up and down through all the 
 states or planes
 >  > of Being, and serves to uphold the memory...of each state's 
 experiences."
 >  > Gita Notes, p. 98-9
 >  > 
 >  > ----------------------------------------
 >  > 
 >  > The "opposed thumb" is a phenomenon of the mental idea of 
 holding and
 >  > manipulating; and to this a "purpose" has to be identified at 
 the root of
 >  > this or any action.  The quality of any "purpose" would depend 
 on whether it
 >  > is "SELFISH" or "UNSELFISH." 
 >  > 
 >  > The MIND coupled with our Kamic (desires and passions) nature 
 makes this
 >  > possible.  [The "animals" have the faculty, at their stage of 
 progress /
 >  > evolution, of "instinct" but not of that continued identity we 
 call mind (or
 >  > MANAS). [It is the MANAS that reincarnates.  -- see KEY TO 
 THEOSOPHY (HPB),
 >  > some of the advanced individual animal MONADS, HPB states, had 
 reached the
 >  > stage where MANAS could be lit up. 
 >  > 
 >  > The PURPOSE of such (or of any human action adds the MORAL 
 FACTOR.  Mankind
 >  > as a whole is in the stage / plane of MIND DEVELOPMENT --  see 
 PATANJALI'S
 >  > YOGA SUTRAS.  It is individualized.  See tables of "human 
 principles" in KEY
 >  > TO THEOSOPHY (HPB) at pp. 91-2, 135-6, 195-6 and the Intervening
 >  > explanations of the entire process and purpose of  evolution -- 
 where the
 >  > '"PHYSICAL" is shown  to be powered by the karmic motives and 
 our present
 >  > choices / will.  These are resident and dominant in the 
 principles of Kama
 >  > and Mind  (Kama and Manas).
 >  > 
 >  > The "moral factor is divisible into the "virtues"  which are 
 dual: SELFISH
 >  > and UNSELFISH, and these distinguish BROTHERHOOD and care for 
 others, or the
 >  > reverse. This in turn invokes not only the monadic, individual 
 KARMA, but
 >  > affects the whole Universe  (composed of  innumerable 
 sensitive "life-atoms"
 >  > or MONADS. 
 >  > 
 >  > We are never "alone."  [All our personal thoughts, feelings and 
 acts are
 >  > indelibly recorded by the Lipika on the tablets of the Akasa.] 
 But we are
 >  > surrounded with innumerable living MONADS -- each at their own 
 stage of
 >  > self-development and progress, and all advance (each is 
 affected by other
 >  > MONADS) individually towards the common central and ultimate 
 Goal: Supreme
 >  > PERFECTION in Wisdom and "wise action." (see BHAGAVAD GITA  
 (Krishna)  for a
 >  > treatise on this.)
 >  > 
 >  > Best wishes
 >  > 
 >  > Dallas
 >  > 
 >  > -----------------------------
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > -----Original Message-----
 >  > From: Scribe
 >  > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:28 PM
 >  > Subject: Re: Difference between humans and animals?
 >  > 
 >  > Leonardo,
 >  > 
 >  > Thanks so much, that was just great, just the kind of 
 information I wanted.
 >  > And in addition you also hit the nail on the head with problems 
 the ID ers
 >  > have with any sort of "proof" that would satisfy their critics.
 >  > 
 >  > Again, "right on"--
 >  > 
 >  > Best Regards,
 >  > Don Ridgway
 >  > "scribe"
 >  > 
 >  > 
 >  > 
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