Theos-Talk Archives (June 2006 Message tt00181)

Friends, 

Frank (see below) compares Solovyov with Heretics. 

But there is a huge difference between Judases and Heretics.  Judases serve concentrated political power ( usually for a bribe ).    

Heretics challenge central power. Look who has, or who serves,  the power bureaucracy now: it is those to publicize the slanders against HPB. The political and ritualistic machinery is using Solovyov and the Coulombs to discredit esoteric  philosophy.  

Regards,  Carlos Cardoso Aveline   


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Data:Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:30:02 +0200

Assunto:Re: Theos-World M. GOMES & D. CALDWELL

> In plain language:
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> Everyone who in the 21st century reprints Solovyof is a liar, too.
> The early gnostics were also liars, herectis and dissenters and their works had to destroyed.
> Obviously the Vatican is Carlos' "sacred" reference. Gosh!
> An enemy from inside!
> Frank
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: carlosaveline 
> To: theos-talk 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:12 PM
> Subject: Theos-World M. GOMES & D. CALDWELL
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> Friends,
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> Caldwell mentions Gomes. 
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> One must admit that Michael Gomes has been no slanderer and no libel-propagator so far. 
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> The opposite is true. Gomes has a 2005 a book/dossier (published by "Theosophical History") on the "Coulomb Case". 
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> The volume gives splendid evidence that the Coulombs cannot be taken as a source of historical information. 
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> Solovyof worked but on the foundations of Slander established by the Coulombs. 
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> Once the Coulombs are shown to be false, and they have been shown such from the very beginning, then Solovyof must be seen as he is -- a criminal liar AND also a "sacred" reference to his 21st century Apostles. 
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> Regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline 
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> ooooooooooooooooooooooo
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> > Data:Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:21:22 -0000
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> > Assunto:Theos-World Michael Gomes on V.S. Solovyov
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> > > Michael Gomes on V.S. Solovyov 
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> > > Carlos wrote:
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> > > ======================================================
> > > Why should anyone except a slanderer consider Soloviof a
> > > legitimate source of historical information?
> > > 
> > > But -- why using Soloviof as a source if you are not
> > > a slanderer?
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/32946
> > > ==========================================================
> > > 
> > > Again Carlos commented:
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> > > =========================================================
> > > So if Daniel, Katinka, Algeo, P. Johnson and others want
> > > to look like scholars, they must first of all examine their
> > > sources, then admit that V. Soloviof, Eleanor Sidgwick and
> > > Alexis/Emma Coulombs are all liars, and finally start to
> > > stick to facts.
> > > 
> > > Three good examples these people could follow are Leslie Price,
> > > Michael Gomes and Ernest Pelletier -- who have different
> > > positions/opinions, but all respect facts and examine their own
> > > sources.
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/32948
> > > =========================================================
> > > 
> > > Now let us take one of these "good examples" that Carlos mentions.
> > > 
> > > Michael Gomes gives the following estimation concerning Solovyoff:
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> > > ==========================================================
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> > > Although he LATER claimed that he was playing the role
> > > of the docile inquirer, Solovyov's name appears in
> > > a number of letters to the press [in 1884 for example]
> > > testifying to the VALIDITY of Theosophical phenomena.
> > > 
> > > The publication of Richard Hodgson's damning report of H.P.B.
> > > in the December 1885 Proceedings of the Society for
> > > Psychical Research, and the attendant ridicule it brought
> > > to the adherents of Theosophy, must have caused him to RECONSIDER
> > > his position, for HIS ATTITUDE toward her RADICALLY CHANGED. . . .
> > > 
> > > ============================================================
> > > Caps added. Quoted from Gomes' Introduction to Beatrice Hastings'
> > > SOLOVYOFF'S FRAUD.
> > > 
> > > Now compare the above with what I wrote in ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME
> > > BLAVATSKY:
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> > > ======================================================
> > > ...At first, relations between the two were friendly but Solovyov
> > > turned against HPB and wrote a book . . . in which he attempted to
> > > portray HPB as a fraud....
> > > ======================================================
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