Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00733)

Dear Friends,


As to clarifying Richard Robb's position (SEE BELOW) since Daniel  seems to ask him several  questions, I would recomend writing to Robb, since he is not a member of Theos-talk.  If anyone needs, I can provide his air-mail address. 

I am glad that Robb's  important words, quoted by Daniel Caldwell, have attracted commentaries and questions, even if a few years after Daniel published them. 

As to my own view of Annie Besant's "Secret Doctrine" volume III, I see it as a volume with some excellent texts, and also other weaker texts,  and some degree of tampering, a degree which is open to discussion.  Alice Cleather denounced the tampering as something she herself saw.  

No doubt, the Adyar TPH must have had strong reasons to abandon the editorial work of its longtime President (1907-1933) and still longer time leader of its Esoteric School (1891-1933),  adopting the excellent editorial work done by Mr. Boris de Zirkoff. 


Best regards,  Carlos Cardoso Aveline  



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Data:Mon, 22 May 2006 17:12:49 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World To Ken: SD Third Vol. --- Part 2

> Richard Robb wrote to me about my thesis on SD Vol. III, 1897:
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> An in depth refutation of your thesis must be based on more than 
> mere written evidence. If you were familiar with the thrust of the 
> SD in toto, the underlying appeal to higher mind and intuition, you 
> could see in a flash that the so called 'Volume III' reads like an 
> extension of Isis....
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> And Ken you comment:
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> While I can see how R. Robb may describe some of the 
> material in this volume as from the 'Isis era' and 
> agree to some degree, other parts on the Buddha,
> The very significant "unpublished Discourse of the Buddha', 
> Secret Books of Lam Rim, Nirvana Moksha, Tsong Khapa, 
> Doctrine of the Eye and Heart and as well the several 
> chapters on various Adepts, Emperor Julian which fit
> into the described `Adept Biography' theme of the 3rd 
> volume, really do not appear to be part of the 'Isis era'.
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> Now neither Richard nor you define exactly what you mean
> by the references to Isis:
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> "extension of Isis"
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> "…material ... from the 'Isis era' "
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> Now of course I think I get the general thrust of what both 
> of you are saying but it is NOT at all clear what particular
> material in SD III 1897 falls under this description. 
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> All of it, I guess by Richard's description. ??
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> You seem to look at it differently.
> 
> But let's take some specific examples and see if they can be 
> described as "material…from the 'Isis era'"
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> Take for example, the following six articles from SD Vol. III, 1897:
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> "What the Occultists & Kabalists Have to Say"
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> "Appollonius of Tyana."
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> "The Souls of the Star -- Universal Heliolatry"
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> "The Mystery 'Sun of Initiation'"
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> "The Trial of the Sun-lnitiate"
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> "The Hexagon with the Central Point, or the Seventh Key"
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> Would Richard and/or you describe any of this material as
> "an extension of Isis"?
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> From Richard's brief words, I would assume that all of this material 
> Richard would describe as "an extension of Isis". 
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> Would you? 
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> But if either one of you would say yes this is the kind of material
> I had in mind, then in reply I would say:
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> But as of 1886 H.P. Blavatsky had written THIS material and had 
> intended it to be an integral part of THE SECRET DOCTRINE. And 
> furthermore this material was in Vol. I manuscript of her great 
> work. This we know from a study of the Wurzburg Manuscript which 
> Colonel Olcott received on Dec. 15, 1886.
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> So whether you or Richard NOW characterize these articles as "Isis"-
> like material or not is in a way totally besides the point.
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> H.P.B. wrote it and it was in the Volume I manuscript of the SD as 
> of late 1886-early 1887.
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> Apparently HPB herself had no problem with the material being part 
> of the SD manuscript!!
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> Such are some of my thoughts on this particular point.
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> In my next posting I will move on to other points brought up by 
> Richard and you.
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> Daniel
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