Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00585)

Robert,

That sounds okay with me.

Yes, it is unfortunate that "poor Katinka" was ever dragged into the 
fray to begin with!!

All I will say is that I do not attribute bad motives or anything of 
the sorts to Katinka when she gave her personal opinion.  I assume 
it is her honest and sincere opinion.  

And I should say here that I do NOT agree with her opinion regarding
genuine/fake phenomena.  I guess I am foolish and naive enough (I've 
been accused of being that, too!) to believe that HPB's phenomena 
were all genuine.  But because I hold a different view from 
Katinka's doesn't mean that therefore I doubt Katinka's motives or 
view her character in a negative light, etc.  

I just believe her opinion is wrong...that her thinking on the 
subject is probably muddled, but of course that is my thinking on 
the matter and maybe my thinking is all muddled!

Yes so we can drop the subject and I hope that we might "stay away 
from living personalities" and especially from attributing bad 
motives, etc. to them.

Daniel
http://hpb.cc


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "robert_b_macd" 
<robert.b.macdonald@...> wrote:
>
> Daniel,
> 
> Perhaps I am taking things too far, but I think in this refreshing 
new
> era for theos-talk, it would be prudent to stay away from living
> personalities.  If you are implying that you have a problem with
> Katinka's motives in light of KH's comments, I suspect there are 
more
> suitable forums in which to post them.  I prefer to say nothing 
and to
> stick to understanding the great wealth that is Theosophy.  I am 
sure
> that we can debate theosophy without dragging poor Katinka into the
> fray.
> 
> Bruce
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell"
> <danielhcaldwell@> wrote:
> >
> > Bruce,
> >
> > Thanks for your comments.
> >
> > I see that you are contemplating what KH says in relationship to
> > what the Coulombs did.
> >
> > But although we may gain some insights by doing so, my
> > initial thoughts were about how we might see Katinka's
> > opinion in relationship to what KH wrote about.
> >
> > I assume you are NOT lumping Katinka in the same category
> > with the Coulombs.
> >
> > Daniel
> > http://hpb.cc
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "robert_b_macd"
> > robert.b.macdonald@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Daniel points to some wise words here from which we could all
> > learn a
> > > little.
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell"
> > > <danielhcaldwell@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Would the following by K.H. apply to Katinka's opinion
> > > > which has been apparently used AGAINST her here at Theos-Talk
> > > > in several previous posts????
> > > >
> > > > I ask this not to create "discord" here but to get some 
readers
> > > > pondering on what seems to me some very important issues that
> > > > apparently are not carefully considered from time to time in
> > some of
> > > > the Theos-Talk postings.
> > > >
> > > > Koot Hoomi writes:
> > > > 
===============================================================
> > > > ...Every Western Theosophist should learn
> > > > and remember, especially those of them who would be our
> > followers --
> > > > that in our Brotherhood, all personalities sink into one 
idea --
> > > > abstract right and absolute practical justice for all. And 
that,
> > > > though we may not say with the Christians, "return good for
> > evil" --
> > > > we repeat with Confucius -- "return good for good; for evil -
-
> > > > JUSTICE." Thus, the Theosophists of Mrs. K.'s way of 
thinking, --
> > > > were they even to oppose some of us personally to the bitter
> > end, --
> > > > are entitled to as much respect and consideration (so long as
> > they
> > > > are sincere) from us and their fellow-members of opposite 
views,
> > as
> > > > those who are ready with Mr. Sinnett to follow absolutely 
but our
> > > > special teaching. A dutiful regard for these rules in life 
will
> > > > always promote the best interests of all concerned....
> > > > 
=================================================================
> > > > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-85.htm
> > > >
> > > This quote brings forward the ideas of "sincerity" and the 
respect
> > that
> > > the Master's demonstrate for potential enemies to the 
Brotherhood's
> > > teachings.  Nowhere do the Masters deviate from a postion of
> > Universal
> > > Brotherhood with respect to students with contrary views, 
nowhere
> > does
> > > the debate sink into concern over motives.  Theosophists 
concerned
> > with
> > > "abstract right and practical justice for all" will, no doubt,
> > want to
> > > stay away from personal motive as this can only debase a 
debate.
> > For
> > > example, when the Coulombs accused HPB of fraud, there was no
> > interest
> > > in seeking Truth, only an interest in establishing doubt 
concerning
> > > HPB's motives and integrity.  The Coulomb's, unable to argue
> > > intelligently against HPB's presentation of the Wisdom 
Tradition,
> > > attempted to cause her harm by levying empty accusations that 
to my
> > > knoweldge have never been proven nor has anyone attempted to 
prove
> > them.
> > > They can hardly be described as  "sincere" holders of opposite
> > views.
> > > "Justice" certainly dictates that their "evil" accusations be 
met
> > with
> > > opposition by fair-minded men.  "Ingratitude is not among our
> > vices, nor
> > > do we imagine you would wish to advise it. . . ."
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> >
>