Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00603)

Sufilight,

I am not too attached to the words I use.  If you do not accept the 
word "attack", well. I can use "criticism" -- is that better? 

I may agree it is more civilized. I can try to adopt that change. 

Regards, Carlos. 



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Data:Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:50:50 +0200

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Sufilight, Besant, the Tree and the Fruits

> Hallo Carloas and all,
> 
> My views are:
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> Carlos wrote:
> "The first part of the attack against the ULT, which I reproduce below, ends 
> with a question which David Caldwell or Daniel Green evidently cannot 
> answer. It is the same question in the title. "
> 
> M. Sufilight asks:
> When can a polite question coming from Daniel Caldwell, which obviously are 
> seeking the Truth about certain matters of some importance, ever become an - 
> attack?
> This is what I do not understand.
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> If you are able, I think you aught to answer the question or questions.
> 
> 
> from
> M. Sufilight
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "carlosaveline" 
> To: "theos-talk" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:36 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Sufilight, Besant, the Tree and the Fruits
> 
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> Dear Sufilight,
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> You wrote:
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> "I agree with you Daniel. Will Carlos tell us all, Why is this an attack?"
> 
> Please kindly see my anwer below:
> 
> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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> Dear Friends,
> 
> This (below) is an interesting question posed by Mr. David Green under the 
> name of Daniel Caldwell -- or perhaps by Daniel Caldwell himself under his 
> own name -- who knows?
> 
> My answer is that -- trees should be judged by their fruits. Let's see, 
> then.
> 
> ONE.
> 
> ULT accuses A. Besant of PUBLLISHING to the wide public the esoteric 
> teachings. This fact is undeniable.
> What are are the fruits of Besant's action? All those crazy fancies and 
> immoralities commited by C. W. Leadbeater, which provoked his expulsion from 
> the very Adyar TS by H. Olcott; Annie Besant and Leadbeater's several fake 
> initiations, the second coming of a Fake Christ, etc., and so on.
> 
> 
> TWO.
> 
> Now, Daniel & David accuse the ULT of circulating PRIVATELY the esoteric 
> teachings of HPB.
> 
> And -- what are the fruits of ULT's action in general, since its creation in 
> 1909? No crazy fancies; important preservation of the authentic teachings; 
> common sense without too much noise; a growing worldwide network of 
> students.
> 
> By the fruits we can see where the occult link was kept unbroken, and where 
> wild fancies destroyed common sense and inner commitments.
> 
> Wild fancies that ultimately produce actions like those of Daniel Caldwell/ 
> David Green, and/or those actions of John Algeo as described right here a 
> couple of days ago by our Theos-talk member Dr. Gregory Tillett.
> 
> The ULT, as the ETS, as, in great part, the Pasadena TS and in some degree 
> even members of the Adyar TS (like Geoffrey Farthing or Ianthe Hoskins) and 
> many independent students -- have kept an innerly unbroken link. Whether 
> they belong to an Esoteric School is another issue.
> 
> And I should mention here a most important and successful effort, the 
> Wizards Bookshelf, made by the great independent theosophist and editor 
> Richard Robb. See especially his "Secret Doctrine Reference List".
> 
> Take a look at www.wizardsbookshelf.com
> 
> 
> Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline
> 
> 
> 
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> Data:Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:24:03 -0000
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> Assunto:Theos-World Do we see a double standard here at work?
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> > Mr. John Garrigues et al (editors of Theosophy Magazine and leading
> > associates of the ULT) in The Theosophical Movement 1875-1925, pages
> > 571-572 wrote the following about Mrs. Annie Besant:
> >
> > "In Mrs. Besant's 'Third Volume' [of The Secret Doctrine, 1897] are
> > incorporated the private papers originally issued by H.P.B. to the
> > E.S., and in reprinting these Mrs. Besant . . . broke the seventh
> > clause of her solemn pledge as a member of the Esoteric School...."
> >
> > Using the same "reasoning" as Carlos, should we characterize
> > the above statement as an "attack" against Mrs. Besant, as an
> > attack against the Adyar T.S.?
> >
> > Does Carlos condone what the Theosophy Company writers have done in
> > the above statement?
> >
> > Is it ok to question (or [to use Carlos' word] "attack") Annie
> > Besant but it is not okay to simply ask SIMILAR relevant questions
> > about Mr. Crosbie?
> >
> > Do we see a double standard here at work?
> >
> > Daniel
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> Data:Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:02:34 +0200
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> Assunto:Re: Theos-World Attack against the ULT?????????? Thank you Carlos 
> for citing this article!!
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> > I agree with you Daniel.
> > Will Carlos tell us all, Why is this an attack?
> >
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "danielhcaldwell"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 5:12 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Attack against the ULT?????????? Thank you Carlos for
> > citing this article!!
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> > >I see that Carlos for some reason
> > > brings up the following article and
> > > even quotes from it so here is a link
> > > to the complete article so interested
> > > readers can see the complete context.
> > >
> > > And one might ask: why is this an "attack"
> > > against the ULT?
> > >
> > > Why is Carlos intent on characterizing it as
> > > such??
> > >
> > > Here is the link:
> > >
> > > http://blavatskyarchives.com/crosbierobertespledge.htm
> > >
> > > Thank you Carlos for bringing this again to
> > > the attention of readers of Theos-Talk!
> > >
> > > Daniel
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