Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00521)

Dear Friends,

Since February, when I first joined Theos-talk, Sufilight has always had an obviously  prudent and moderate attitude.

So these thoughtful ponderations made to Daniel Caldwell (see below) give us all an interesting perspective to understand the ethical challenge now facing the theosophical movement. 

Best regards,  Carlos. 

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Hallo Daniel and all,

My views are:

I do care. Please understand, that I write this out of compassion to the 
theosophical cause.


Daniel wrote:
"I'm probably then 10 times worst than that! Chuck
comes in a poor second! :)"

Daniel Caldwell, to me your reply to Carlos involves me, because of I am 
somehow part of your respone to Carlos.

The above words of yours is taken by me, to be quite immoral on your part.
It shows me, that you really do Not understand the dangerous importance of 
what I was referring to when I wrote these words in a recent email here at 
Theos-talk:

"It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info on internal
debates between various theosophists disagreements and fractions
disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies, namely the
Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside the gates of
Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp."


To me your reply was very irresponsible!
To me you are not supporting Blavatsky's good name and the Masters, and 
ParaBrahman within your own self with such an answer.
It is quite saddening to se such remarks coming from you. You have done a 
good job by publishing important material on your website. But your websites 
lack of moral stance will certainly be your problem in the days to come.

If you put this below answer of yours as well as Carlos email, which you 
replied to on the front page of your website, everyone would know who you 
really are.

Do understand, that Your website www.blavatskyarchives.com has - today - a 
high level of influence on many beginner theosophists and potential 
theosophists, AND quite important also ordinary scholars; - Christian 
scholars included.

I will very strongly encourage you to Please rethink your moral stance on 
Theosophy and theosophy, that includes - especially also - the moral stance 
Your website www.blavatskyarchives.com promotes to the readers of it. With 
other words you are encouraged to create a more compassionate website or 
close it down!

If you refuse to do this you will certainly continue to become one of the 
worst enemies to the theosophical cause and the Theosophical cause.


These are my views.
What are the various readers views?
Will Daniel Caldwell remain silent on this?

Someone shouted:
The enemies are at the Gates!


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...and a compassionate hug...

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Cópia:

Data:Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:12:08 +0200

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Re: CALDWELL & THE JESUITS

> Hallo Daniel and all,
> 
> My views are:
> 
> I do care. Please understand, that I write this out of compassion to the 
> theosophical cause.
> 
> 
> Daniel wrote:
> "I'm probably then 10 times worst than that! Chuck
> comes in a poor second! :)"
> 
> Daniel Caldweel, to me your reply to Carlos involves me, because of I am 
> somehow part of your respone to Carlos.
> 
> The above words of yours is taken by me, to be quite immoral on your part.
> It shows me, that you really do Not understand the dangerous importance of 
> what I was referring to when I wrote these words in a recent email here at 
> Theos-talk:
> 
> "It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info on internal
> debates between various theosophists disagreements and fractions
> disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies, namely the
> Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside the gates of
> Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp."
> 
> 
> To me your reply was very irresponsible!
> To me you are not supporting Blavatsky's good name and the Masters, and 
> ParaBrahman within your own self with such an answer.
> It is quite saddening to se such remarks coming from you. You have done a 
> good job by publishing important material on your website. But your websites 
> lack of moral stance will certainly be your problem in the days to come.
> 
> If you put this below answer of yours as well as Carlos email, which you 
> replied to on the front page of your website, everyone would know who you 
> really are.
> 
> Do understand, that Your website www.blavatskyarchives.com has - today - a 
> high level of influence on many beginner theosophists and potential 
> theosophists, AND quite important also ordinary scholars; - Christian 
> scholars included.
> 
> I will very strongly encourage you to Please rethink your moral stance on 
> Theosophy and theosophy, that includes - especially also - the moral stance 
> Your website www.blavatskyarchives.com promotes to the readers of it. With 
> other words you are encouraged to create a more compassionate website or 
> close it down!
> 
> If you refuse to do this you will certainly continue to become one of the 
> worst enemies to the theosophical cause and the Theosophical cause.
> 
> 
> These are my views.
> What are the various readers views?
> Will Daniel Caldwell remain silent on this?
> 
> Someone shouted:
> The enemies are at the Gates!
> 
> 
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...and a compassionate hug...
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "danielhcaldwell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:59 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: CALDWELL & THE JESUITS
> 
> 
> Carlos,
> 
> Conjure up in your mind the worst possible "image"
> you have of me.
> 
> I'm probably then 10 times worst than that! Chuck
> comes in a poor second! :)
> 
> But Carlos remember what Master K.H. wrote:
> 
> "Every man has a potential Dugpa in him."
> 
> so don't conjure up my image too hard or it might
> awaken something in ---!! :) How's that Chuck???
> 
> Daniel W.A.L / B.M.F.
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> wrote:
> >
> > ON IDENTIFYING CALDWELL
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> > An excellent contribution made by Sufilight, see below.
> >
> > It is easy to understand where do Paul Johnson, John Algeo,
> > Gregory Tillet, Pedro Oliveira, Jerry Hejka-Elkins, Chuck the
> Heretic and others, stand.
> >
> > One can see that they defend their own views and opinions.
> >
> > But how to locate Daniel Cadlwell?
> >
> > Sufilight writes:
> >
> > "It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info on
> internal
> > debates between various theosophists disagreements and fractions
> > disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies,
> namely the
> > Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside the
> gates of
> > Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp."
> >
> > Now, I aske myself: does that mean we should consider Daniel as
> directly linked to the Vatican, or to "Opus Dei"?
> >
> > Does nos seem too likely. Yet Daniel did not deny that he is a an
> Internet fraud, a troller and a trickster, as suggested by Paul
> Johnson. A trickster who makes propaganda of slanders.
> >
> > I am curious about that. I did not get to a conclusion yet, but I
> hope Saturn in transit in Leo will gradually help with that.
> >
> > Will Caldwell kindly clarify on that?
> >
> > Best regards, Carlos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Cópia:
> >
> > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:08:26 +0200
> >
> > Assunto:Re: Theos-World To Sufilight: Jesuits Online?
> >
> > > Hallo Carlos and all,
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > > There is as far as I can tell not much info about the Jesuits on
> the
> > > Caldwell website www.blavatskyarchives.com
> > >
> > > As we know, the Jesuits are today the most dangerous group which
> the
> > > theosophists faces.
> > > It seems strange, that the Caldwell website devotes more info on
> internal
> > > debates between various theosophists disagreements and fractions
> > > disagreements and the like, than it does on the real enemies,
> namely the
> > > Jesuits. But maybe the dangerous enemies are already inside the
> gates of
> > > Theosophical teachings in the Caldwell camp.
> > > Let me reformulate and say:
> > > I am not just looking after quotes from wellknown theosophists
> on a
> > > theosophical website, but I am seeking that
> > > Daniel Caldwell's website and Daniel himself take a moral stance
> on his
> > > website on the Jesuit issue.
> > > There is way to little info on the Jesuits on Caldwells website.
> > > Well, that is just little me, and my views and I do not even
> claim that I
> > > have a Ph. D. or a M.A.D or anything like that.
> > >
> > >
> > > Did this help?
> > >
> > > I will add som quotes in the below so to promote a present
> theosophical
> > > stance on the matter.
> > > - - -
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will one more time repeat what Blavatsky said.
> > > An excerpt:
> > > THEOSOPHY OR JESUITISM? written by Blavatsky
> > > "Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far
> above,
> > > the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power--
> one to the
> > > spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in man.
> The former
> > > is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable,
> gentle . . . full
> > > of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without
> hypocrisy," while
> > > the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but is
> earthly,
> > > sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other that
> of Darkness.
> > > . . ."
> > > http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/TheosophyOrJesuitism.htm
> (Published
> > > in Lucifer 1888)
> > >
> > >
> > > H. P. Blavatsky says:
> > > "The words "Jesuit" and "Jesuitism" cover the whole ground. The
> Spirit of
> > > Truth has departed ages ago - if it has ever been near it - from
> the Church
> > > of Rome. "
> > > http://www.theosophical.ca/StarAngelWorship.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > Background on The Vatican's Secret Archives
> > > "In 1881, thanks to the generosity of Leo XIII, scholars were
> allowed free
> > > access to the Vatican Secret Archives, thus becoming one of the
> most
> > > important historical research centres in the world."
> > > http://asv.vatican.va/en/arch/1_past.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > Excerpts from The Vatican's statement on The essential matrix of
> New Age
> > > thinking:
> > > "19th century esotericism is seen by some as completely
> secularised.
> > > Alchemy, magic, astrology and other elements of traditional
> esotericism had
> > > been thoroughly integrated with aspects of modern culture,
> including the
> > > search for causal laws, evolutionism, psychology and the study
> of religions.
> > > It reached its clearest form in the ideas of Helena Blavatsky, a
> Russian
> > > medium who founded the Theosophical Society with Henry Olcott in
> New York in
> > > 1875."
> > > ...and also...
> > > "However, it is well to be aware that the doctrine of the Christ
> spread in
> > > New Age circles is inspired by the theosophical teachings of
> Helena
> > > Blavatsky, Rudolf Steiner's anthroposophy and Alice
> Bailey's "Arcane School".
> > > Their contemporary followers are not only promoting their ideas
> now, but
> > > also working with New Agers to develop a completely new
> understanding of
> > > reality, a doctrine known by some observers as "New Age truth"."
> > > ...and also...
> > > "A prominent component of Mrs. Blavatsky's writings was the
> emancipation of
> > > women, which involved an attack on the "male" God of Judaism, of
> > > Christianity and of Islam. She urged people to return to the
> mother-goddess
> > > of Hinduism and to the practice of feminine virtues. This
> continued under
> > > the guidance of Annie Besant, who was in the vanguard of the
> feminist
> > > movement. Wicca and "women's spirituality" carry on this
> struggle against
> > > "patriarchal" Christianity today."
> > >
> > >
> http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/docume
> nts/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Help us all:
> > > I would really like, as many comments on ALL the statements this
> link in the
> > > above makes about The Theosophical Society, theosophy and
> Blavatsky.
> > > These comments could then, by someone, later be formed into an
> answer to the
> > > Vatican and the Pope - and also a relevant newspaper or magazine
> (perhaps
> > > Der Spiegel.)
> > >
> > > This is theosophical thinking. It is much better than internal
> nitpickings
> > > about who has written a lousy book about Theosophy or theosophy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just ask. I might be able to help you.
> > >
> > >
> > > from
> > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "carlosaveline"
> > > To: "theos-talk"
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:13 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World To Sufilight: Jesuits Online?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Sufilight,
> > >
> > > Can you explain this question of yours addressed to Daniel?
> > >
> > > "So Daniel, What do you have to say about the Jesuits online on
> your
> > > websites, - www.blavatskyarchives.com ???"
> > >
> > > I missed something here...
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot, Sufilight,
> > >
> > > Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Cópia:
> > >
> > > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:16:07 +0200
> > >
> > > Assunto:Re: Theos-World Did Jesus Exist and Who Is the Christ?
> > >
> > > > Hallo Daniel and all,
> > > >
> > > > My views are:
> > > >
> > > > Yes.
> > > > There are good info and bad info in that link.
> > > >
> > > > I do support Jesus and Christ. But I do it using my own
> esoterical
> > > > version.
> > > >
> > > > So Daniel, What do you have to say about the Jesuits online on
> your
> > > > websites, - www.blavatskyarchives.com ???
> > > > And please understand the thirst after compassion and altruism.
> > > > I am not looking after quotes from wellknown theosophists, but
> seeking
> > > > that
> > > > you yourself take a moral stance on your website.
> > > >
> > > > The only link with online info on Jesuits I did find was this
> one:
> > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/judgeelliotcoues.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ...Interesting views you have here Daniel Caldwell...
> > > > http://www.theosophycanada.com/fohat_daniel.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > from
> > > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "danielhcaldwell"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:53 PM
> > > > Subject: Theos-World Did Jesus Exist and Who Is the Christ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > For a new website with a few recommended titles, see:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://didjesusexist.info/
> > > > >
> > > > > For some of H.P. Blavatsky's comments on this subject,
> > > > > and a more comprehensive list of recommended material,
> > > > > see:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Daniel
> > > > > http://hpb.cc
> > > > >
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