Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00428)

Mark H, 

I agree that Daniel is lukewarm. Nothing too serious, perhaps not even a bad person -- and who's to judge him?  

Yet according to Paul Johnson he may be a Fraud. Perhaps not an important one. 

Carlos. 

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Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:21:40 -0300

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Re: Daniel's Motive in Slandering

> My former disciple is soooo much more evil than you.
> 
> -Mark H.
> 
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:04:22 -0300, danielhcaldwell 
> wrote:
> 
> > Carlos,
> >
> > Oh good my reputation will then be really "bad" and Chuck
> > will not be the #1 bad guy on Theos-Talk!!
> >
> > ----------------
> > OBTW Chuck, thanks for sending me that red cape. I never
> > knew being a dugpa could be so much fun. No wonder you
> > always have a grin!
> >
> > Maybe Erica (on the other chat list....) could post your photo
> > with your red cape too! Send it to her!
> >
> > Daniel W.A.L. Caldwell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Friends,
> >>
> >>
> >> Since Daniel likes gossips so much, I give him, see in another
> > posting, a new copy of Paul Johnson's testimony on his own
> > (Daniel's) possible fraudulent activites at the Internet.
> >>
> >> Now, therefore, Daniel Caldwell will be able to update his
> > gossips.
> >>
> >> Instead of 19th century ones, he can explain his own present and
> > recent activities and let us know whether he is such a compulsive
> > liar as Vsevolod Soloviof , the Coulombs and similar persons.
> >>
> >> Personally, my main interest is still Theosophy and Philosophy,
> > not personality gossips.
> >>
> >> Yet I recognize that if Daniel should result to be a fraudulent
> > Internet troller afterall, he would have the MOTIVES to make so much
> > propaganda about 19th century slanderers.
> >>
> >> Best regards, Carlos.
> >>
> >>
> >> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >>
> >> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >>
> >> Cópia:
> >>
> >> Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:14:38 -0000
> >>
> >> Assunto:Theos-World Re: Daniel's Slanders
> >>
> >> > Carlos,
> >> >
> >> > You have such a limited vocabulary... :)
> >> >
> >> > Aren't you curious about this letter given
> >> > in facsimile?
> >> >
> >> > It may or may not have some relevance to
> >> > the Judge controversy. I don't know.
> >> >
> >> > But it is interesting that this supposed
> >> > Mahatma letter surfaced in 1890 or before.
> >> >
> >> > Where did it come from?
> >> >
> >> > Also interesting that Coues is apparently trying
> >> > to attribute it to Judge. I wonder if Besant
> >> > or Olcott was aware of this at this time or maybe later.
> >> >
> >> > And notice HPB's letter to Coues in 1889, she
> >> > is defending Judge. Is that slanderous gossip too???
> >> >
> >> > Daniel
> >> >
> >> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Dear Friends,
> >> > >
> >> > > More slanderous gossips and lies over one hundred years old.
> >> > >
> >> > > Carlos.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >> > >
> >> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >> > >
> >> > > Cópia:
> >> > >
> >> > > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:46:46 -0000
> >> > >
> >> > > Assunto:Theos-World How did Coues have possession of this
> > Mahatma
> >> > Letter in 1890 or before?
> >> > >
> >> > > > It would appear that as early as July 1890
> >> > > > William Judge was accused of writing [forging]
> >> > > > Mahatma Letters.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Elliott Coues in The Sun (a major New York newspaper)
> >> > > > on Sunday, July 20, 1890 (p. 17) was apparently
> >> > > > asked the following question:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "How about those 'Mahatmic' letters we heard so much about a
> >> > while
> >> > > > ago, such a one, for example, as the Chicago Tribune
> > published
> >> > in
> >> > > > fac-simile?" asked the reporter.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Coues is reported as replying:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "Oh, you mean those Aids to Faith in Blavatsky which went
> > the
> >> > > > rounds? Here are a couple. They are at your service if you
> > wish
> >> > to
> >> > > > print them. You see the envelope is a long narrow one made
> > of
> >> > thin,
> >> > > > rough paper such as is commonly used in the East and stamped
> >> > with
> >> > > > some characters like those on a Chinese tea chest. The rice
> >> > writing
> >> > > > paper is heavy, with a smooth glaze, and has or did have a
> > faint
> >> > > > odor of sandal wood. The large red blotch on one of them I
> >> > believe
> >> > > > is simply the maker's or dealer's mark, but do not know. The
> > wax
> >> > > > seal on the other is the monogram of finger ring which once
> >> > > > Blavatsky loudly protested in the columns of London Light,
> > she
> >> > alone
> >> > > > possessed but of which Judge has a duplicate or a good
> >> > imitation.
> >> > > > The subject of the communication is simply bosh, as you
> >> > perceive;
> >> > > > the handwriting is almost unquestionably that of Mr. Judge,
> > who
> >> > is
> >> > > > an expert penman."
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The 2 letters mentioned were reproduced in the "Sun"
> > article.
> >> > You
> >> > > > can see the facsimiles at:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/coumah.htm
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Some might be interested to compare the handwriting of the
> > first
> >> > > > letter given here with the facsimiles of later letters
> > disputed
> >> > > > after HPB's death and published in the Garrett book. See
> > some
> >> > > > reproductions in Pelletier's book on pages 358 and 356.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > It would be interesting to have a documents expert compare
> > the
> >> > > > handwriting of the first letter [that Coues mentions] as
> > given
> >> > in
> >> > > > the SUN article with the letter given in facsimile in
> > Pelletier
> >> > p.
> >> > > > 358.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > How did Coues receive the first letter given in facsimile at:
> >> > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/coumah.htm
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Did he receive it from Judge or from HPB or .....?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > One important fact to keep in mind is that this letter
> > surfaced
> >> > > > during the lifetime of HPB and was apparently in Coues
> >> > possession
> >> > > > prior to July 20, 1890.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I wonder if Judge or HPB mentioned this letter in any of
> > their
> >> > > > letters in 1890 or 1891 before HPB died.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Daniel
> >> > > > http://hpb.cc
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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