Re: Theos-World Daniel Not a Bad Person
Apr 20, 2006 12:38 PM
by Mark S. Hamilton Jr.
I detect no malicious intent here on this list. My point is that any
attempt to "defraud" the list may indirectly cause more undue harm than
leaving it be.
People may speak their opinions and spread their propoganda; those with a
clear mind will be able to see right past it if they choose to do so.
-Mark H.
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:29:47 -0300, carlosaveline
<carlosaveline@terra.com.br> wrote:
Mark H,
I agree that Daniel is lukewarm. Nothing too serious, perhaps not even a
bad person -- and who's to judge him?
Yet according to Paul Johnson he may be a Fraud. Perhaps not an
important one.
Carlos.
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Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Cópia:
Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:21:40 -0300
Assunto:Re: Theos-World Re: Daniel's Motive in Slandering
My former disciple is soooo much more evil than you.
-Mark H.
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:04:22 -0300, danielhcaldwell
wrote:
> Carlos,
>
> Oh good my reputation will then be really "bad" and Chuck
> will not be the #1 bad guy on Theos-Talk!!
>
> ----------------
> OBTW Chuck, thanks for sending me that red cape. I never
> knew being a dugpa could be so much fun. No wonder you
> always have a grin!
>
> Maybe Erica (on the other chat list....) could post your photo
> with your red cape too! Send it to her!
>
> Daniel W.A.L. Caldwell
>
>
>
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>>
>> Since Daniel likes gossips so much, I give him, see in another
> posting, a new copy of Paul Johnson's testimony on his own
> (Daniel's) possible fraudulent activites at the Internet.
>>
>> Now, therefore, Daniel Caldwell will be able to update his
> gossips.
>>
>> Instead of 19th century ones, he can explain his own present and
> recent activities and let us know whether he is such a compulsive
> liar as Vsevolod Soloviof , the Coulombs and similar persons.
>>
>> Personally, my main interest is still Theosophy and Philosophy,
> not personality gossips.
>>
>> Yet I recognize that if Daniel should result to be a fraudulent
> Internet troller afterall, he would have the MOTIVES to make so much
> propaganda about 19th century slanderers.
>>
>> Best regards, Carlos.
>>
>>
>> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>
>> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>
>> Cópia:
>>
>> Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:14:38 -0000
>>
>> Assunto:Theos-World Re: Daniel's Slanders
>>
>> > Carlos,
>> >
>> > You have such a limited vocabulary... :)
>> >
>> > Aren't you curious about this letter given
>> > in facsimile?
>> >
>> > It may or may not have some relevance to
>> > the Judge controversy. I don't know.
>> >
>> > But it is interesting that this supposed
>> > Mahatma letter surfaced in 1890 or before.
>> >
>> > Where did it come from?
>> >
>> > Also interesting that Coues is apparently trying
>> > to attribute it to Judge. I wonder if Besant
>> > or Olcott was aware of this at this time or maybe later.
>> >
>> > And notice HPB's letter to Coues in 1889, she
>> > is defending Judge. Is that slanderous gossip too???
>> >
>> > Daniel
>> >
>> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline"
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dear Friends,
>> > >
>> > > More slanderous gossips and lies over one hundred years old.
>> > >
>> > > Carlos.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>> > >
>> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>> > >
>> > > Cópia:
>> > >
>> > > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:46:46 -0000
>> > >
>> > > Assunto:Theos-World How did Coues have possession of this
> Mahatma
>> > Letter in 1890 or before?
>> > >
>> > > > It would appear that as early as July 1890
>> > > > William Judge was accused of writing [forging]
>> > > > Mahatma Letters.
>> > > >
>> > > > Elliott Coues in The Sun (a major New York newspaper)
>> > > > on Sunday, July 20, 1890 (p. 17) was apparently
>> > > > asked the following question:
>> > > >
>> > > > "How about those 'Mahatmic' letters we heard so much about a
>> > while
>> > > > ago, such a one, for example, as the Chicago Tribune
> published
>> > in
>> > > > fac-simile?" asked the reporter.
>> > > >
>> > > > Coues is reported as replying:
>> > > >
>> > > > "Oh, you mean those Aids to Faith in Blavatsky which went
> the
>> > > > rounds? Here are a couple. They are at your service if you
> wish
>> > to
>> > > > print them. You see the envelope is a long narrow one made
> of
>> > thin,
>> > > > rough paper such as is commonly used in the East and stamped
>> > with
>> > > > some characters like those on a Chinese tea chest. The rice
>> > writing
>> > > > paper is heavy, with a smooth glaze, and has or did have a
> faint
>> > > > odor of sandal wood. The large red blotch on one of them I
>> > believe
>> > > > is simply the maker's or dealer's mark, but do not know. The
> wax
>> > > > seal on the other is the monogram of finger ring which once
>> > > > Blavatsky loudly protested in the columns of London Light,
> she
>> > alone
>> > > > possessed but of which Judge has a duplicate or a good
>> > imitation.
>> > > > The subject of the communication is simply bosh, as you
>> > perceive;
>> > > > the handwriting is almost unquestionably that of Mr. Judge,
> who
>> > is
>> > > > an expert penman."
>> > > >
>> > > > The 2 letters mentioned were reproduced in the "Sun"
> article.
>> > You
>> > > > can see the facsimiles at:
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/coumah.htm
>> > > >
>> > > > Some might be interested to compare the handwriting of the
> first
>> > > > letter given here with the facsimiles of later letters
> disputed
>> > > > after HPB's death and published in the Garrett book. See
> some
>> > > > reproductions in Pelletier's book on pages 358 and 356.
>> > > >
>> > > > It would be interesting to have a documents expert compare
> the
>> > > > handwriting of the first letter [that Coues mentions] as
> given
>> > in
>> > > > the SUN article with the letter given in facsimile in
> Pelletier
>> > p.
>> > > > 358.
>> > > >
>> > > > How did Coues receive the first letter given in facsimile at:
>> > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/coumah.htm
>> > > >
>> > > > Did he receive it from Judge or from HPB or .....?
>> > > >
>> > > > One important fact to keep in mind is that this letter
> surfaced
>> > > > during the lifetime of HPB and was apparently in Coues
>> > possession
>> > > > prior to July 20, 1890.
>> > > >
>> > > > I wonder if Judge or HPB mentioned this letter in any of
> their
>> > > > letters in 1890 or 1891 before HPB died.
>> > > >
>> > > > Daniel
>> > > > http://hpb.cc
>> > >
>> >
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