Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00426)

Dear Friends,

Daniel seems to be trying to laugh his way out of his present situation... 

Carlos.  



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Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:04:22 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: Daniel's Motive in Slandering

> Carlos,
> 
> Oh good my reputation will then be really "bad" and Chuck
> will not be the #1 bad guy on Theos-Talk!!
> 
> ----------------
> OBTW Chuck, thanks for sending me that red cape. I never
> knew being a dugpa could be so much fun. No wonder you
> always have a grin!
> 
> Maybe Erica (on the other chat list....) could post your photo 
> with your red cape too! Send it to her!
> 
> Daniel W.A.L. Caldwell
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> > 
> > 
> > Since Daniel likes gossips so much, I give him, see in another 
> posting, a new copy of Paul Johnson's testimony on his own 
> (Daniel's) possible fraudulent activites at the Internet.
> > 
> > Now, therefore, Daniel Caldwell will be able to update his 
> gossips. 
> > 
> > Instead of 19th century ones, he can explain his own present and 
> recent activities and let us know whether he is such a compulsive 
> liar as Vsevolod Soloviof , the Coulombs and similar persons. 
> > 
> > Personally, my main interest is still Theosophy and Philosophy, 
> not personality gossips.
> > 
> > Yet I recognize that if Daniel should result to be a fraudulent 
> Internet troller afterall, he would have the MOTIVES to make so much 
> propaganda about 19th century slanderers. 
> > 
> > Best regards, Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Cópia:
> > 
> > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:14:38 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Daniel's Slanders
> > 
> > > Carlos,
> > > 
> > > You have such a limited vocabulary... :)
> > > 
> > > Aren't you curious about this letter given
> > > in facsimile?
> > > 
> > > It may or may not have some relevance to
> > > the Judge controversy. I don't know.
> > > 
> > > But it is interesting that this supposed
> > > Mahatma letter surfaced in 1890 or before.
> > > 
> > > Where did it come from? 
> > > 
> > > Also interesting that Coues is apparently trying
> > > to attribute it to Judge. I wonder if Besant
> > > or Olcott was aware of this at this time or maybe later. 
> > > 
> > > And notice HPB's letter to Coues in 1889, she
> > > is defending Judge. Is that slanderous gossip too???
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Dear Friends,
> > > > 
> > > > More slanderous gossips and lies over one hundred years old. 
> > > > 
> > > > Carlos. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > 
> > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > 
> > > > Cópia:
> > > > 
> > > > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:46:46 -0000
> > > > 
> > > > Assunto:Theos-World How did Coues have possession of this 
> Mahatma 
> > > Letter in 1890 or before?
> > > > 
> > > > > It would appear that as early as July 1890 
> > > > > William Judge was accused of writing [forging]
> > > > > Mahatma Letters.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Elliott Coues in The Sun (a major New York newspaper) 
> > > > > on Sunday, July 20, 1890 (p. 17) was apparently
> > > > > asked the following question:
> > > > > 
> > > > > "How about those 'Mahatmic' letters we heard so much about a 
> > > while 
> > > > > ago, such a one, for example, as the Chicago Tribune 
> published 
> > > in 
> > > > > fac-simile?" asked the reporter.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Coues is reported as replying:
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Oh, you mean those Aids to Faith in Blavatsky which went 
> the 
> > > > > rounds? Here are a couple. They are at your service if you 
> wish 
> > > to 
> > > > > print them. You see the envelope is a long narrow one made 
> of 
> > > thin, 
> > > > > rough paper such as is commonly used in the East and stamped 
> > > with 
> > > > > some characters like those on a Chinese tea chest. The rice 
> > > writing 
> > > > > paper is heavy, with a smooth glaze, and has or did have a 
> faint 
> > > > > odor of sandal wood. The large red blotch on one of them I 
> > > believe 
> > > > > is simply the maker's or dealer's mark, but do not know. The 
> wax 
> > > > > seal on the other is the monogram of finger ring which once 
> > > > > Blavatsky loudly protested in the columns of London Light, 
> she 
> > > alone 
> > > > > possessed but of which Judge has a duplicate or a good 
> > > imitation. 
> > > > > The subject of the communication is simply bosh, as you 
> > > perceive; 
> > > > > the handwriting is almost unquestionably that of Mr. Judge, 
> who 
> > > is 
> > > > > an expert penman." 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The 2 letters mentioned were reproduced in the "Sun" 
> article. 
> > > You 
> > > > > can see the facsimiles at:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/coumah.htm
> > > > > 
> > > > > Some might be interested to compare the handwriting of the 
> first 
> > > > > letter given here with the facsimiles of later letters 
> disputed 
> > > > > after HPB's death and published in the Garrett book. See 
> some 
> > > > > reproductions in Pelletier's book on pages 358 and 356.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It would be interesting to have a documents expert compare 
> the 
> > > > > handwriting of the first letter [that Coues mentions] as 
> given 
> > > in 
> > > > > the SUN article with the letter given in facsimile in 
> Pelletier 
> > > p. 
> > > > > 358.
> > > > > 
> > > > > How did Coues receive the first letter given in facsimile at:
> > > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/coumah.htm
> > > > > 
> > > > > Did he receive it from Judge or from HPB or .....?
> > > > > 
> > > > > One important fact to keep in mind is that this letter 
> surfaced 
> > > > > during the lifetime of HPB and was apparently in Coues 
> > > possession 
> > > > > prior to July 20, 1890.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I wonder if Judge or HPB mentioned this letter in any of 
> their 
> > > > > letters in 1890 or 1891 before HPB died.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Daniel
> > > > > http://hpb.cc
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > 
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