Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00427)

Carlos,

I'm glad you like so much Paul Johnson's testimony.

Below is some other "testimony" from Johnson's pen.

I give but a few choice nuggets from the book apparently
you have never read.

On p. 6 of "The Masters Revealed," Johnson writes:

"In 1880, the Mahatmas' letters were full of geographical references 
to Punjab and Kashmir. But in the next few years, a cover story 
about their residence in a Tibetan ashram was promoted and a number 
of FALSE testimonies CONCOCTED [by H.P.B.] as a diversionary 
tactic. . . ."  caps added.

But Johnson assures the reader that:

"H.P.B did indeed have connections in Tibet; the Bengali explorer 
Sarat Chandra Das, who spent more than a year there, was on intimate 
terms with Olcott. Under the authorization of the Panchen Lama's 
prime minister [Sengchen Tulku], Das obtained a large number of 
authentic texts [the texts of, for example, THE VOICE OF THE 
SILENCE, etc.] which he seems to have forwarded to HPB via Olcott 
for use in her writings. But this rather indirect link to the court 
of the Panchen Lama had NOTHING TO DO with Morya and Koot Hoomi, 
although HPB made elaborate efforts to [falsely] portray the Indian 
Mahatmas as residents of Shigatse." (p.6)  Caps added.

Daniel


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
> 
> 
> Since Daniel likes gossips so much, I give him, see in another 
posting, a new copy of Paul Johnson's testimony on his own 
(Daniel's) possible fraudulent activites at the Internet.
> 
> Now, therefore, Daniel Caldwell will be able to update his 
gossips.  
> 
> Instead of 19th century ones,  he can explain his own present and 
recent activities and let us know whether he is such a compulsive 
liar as Vsevolod Soloviof , the Coulombs and similar persons. 
> 
> Personally, my main interest is still Theosophy and  Philosophy, 
not personality gossips.
> 
> Yet I recognize that if Daniel should result to be a fraudulent 
Internet troller afterall, he would have the MOTIVES to make so much 
propaganda about 19th century slanderers. 
> 
> Best regards,   Carlos.   
> 
> 
> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Cópia:
> 
> Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:14:38 -0000
> 
> Assunto:Theos-World Re: Daniel's Slanders
> 
> > Carlos,
> > 
> > You have such a limited vocabulary... :)
> > 
> > Aren't you curious about this letter given
> > in facsimile?
> > 
> > It may or may not have some relevance to
> > the Judge controversy. I don't know.
> > 
> > But it is interesting that this supposed
> > Mahatma letter surfaced in 1890 or before.
> > 
> > Where did it come from? 
> > 
> > Also interesting that Coues is apparently trying
> > to attribute it to Judge. I wonder if Besant
> > or Olcott was aware of this at this time or maybe later. 
> > 
> > And notice HPB's letter to Coues in 1889, she
> > is defending Judge. Is that slanderous gossip too???
> > 
> > Daniel
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Dear Friends,
> > > 
> > > More slanderous gossips and lies over one hundred years old. 
> > > 
> > > Carlos. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > 
> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > 
> > > Cópia:
> > > 
> > > Data:Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:46:46 -0000
> > > 
> > > Assunto:Theos-World How did Coues have possession of this 
Mahatma 
> > Letter in 1890 or before?
> > > 
> > > > It would appear that as early as July 1890 
> > > > William Judge was accused of writing [forging]
> > > > Mahatma Letters.
> > > > 
> > > > Elliott Coues in The Sun (a major New York newspaper) 
> > > > on Sunday, July 20, 1890 (p. 17) was apparently
> > > > asked the following question:
> > > > 
> > > > "How about those 'Mahatmic' letters we heard so much about a 
> > while 
> > > > ago, such a one, for example, as the Chicago Tribune 
published 
> > in 
> > > > fac-simile?" asked the reporter.
> > > > 
> > > > Coues is reported as replying:
> > > > 
> > > > "Oh, you mean those Aids to Faith in Blavatsky which went 
the 
> > > > rounds? Here are a couple. They are at your service if you 
wish 
> > to 
> > > > print them. You see the envelope is a long narrow one made 
of 
> > thin, 
> > > > rough paper such as is commonly used in the East and stamped 
> > with 
> > > > some characters like those on a Chinese tea chest. The rice 
> > writing 
> > > > paper is heavy, with a smooth glaze, and has or did have a 
faint 
> > > > odor of sandal wood. The large red blotch on one of them I 
> > believe 
> > > > is simply the maker's or dealer's mark, but do not know. The 
wax 
> > > > seal on the other is the monogram of finger ring which once 
> > > > Blavatsky loudly protested in the columns of London Light, 
she 
> > alone 
> > > > possessed but of which Judge has a duplicate or a good 
> > imitation. 
> > > > The subject of the communication is simply bosh, as you 
> > perceive; 
> > > > the handwriting is almost unquestionably that of Mr. Judge, 
who 
> > is 
> > > > an expert penman." 
> > > > 
> > > > The 2 letters mentioned were reproduced in the "Sun" 
article. 
> > You 
> > > > can see the facsimiles at:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/coumah.htm
> > > > 
> > > > Some might be interested to compare the handwriting of the 
first 
> > > > letter given here with the facsimiles of later letters 
disputed 
> > > > after HPB's death and published in the Garrett book. See 
some 
> > > > reproductions in Pelletier's book on pages 358 and 356.
> > > > 
> > > > It would be interesting to have a documents expert compare 
the 
> > > > handwriting of the first letter [that Coues mentions] as 
given 
> > in 
> > > > the SUN article with the letter given in facsimile in 
Pelletier 
> > p. 
> > > > 358.
> > > > 
> > > > How did Coues receive the first letter given in facsimile at:
> > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/coumah.htm
> > > > 
> > > > Did he receive it from Judge or from HPB or .....?
> > > > 
> > > > One important fact to keep in mind is that this letter 
surfaced 
> > > > during the lifetime of HPB and was apparently in Coues 
> > possession 
> > > > prior to July 20, 1890.
> > > > 
> > > > I wonder if Judge or HPB mentioned this letter in any of 
their 
> > > > letters in 1890 or 1891 before HPB died.
> > > > 
> > > > Daniel
> > > > http://hpb.cc
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >