Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00223)

Again:  briefly  YELLOW OUTLINE  below

 

Thanks Vince: 

 

Dallas

 

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-----Original Message-----
From:  Vincent
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 
To: 
Subject: Dallas- Misrepresentations and Theosophical Basics

 

Dallas-

 

You wrote:

 

 Thanks, excuse my brevity and see notes below in text.  If not 

clear then  ask again.

 

Okay, thanks.

 

 know when something is not TRUE  -- conscience ? ] .........

 

Must one be a Theosophist to be a mahatma?

 

 

DTB                 NO  There is in each of us the ATMA which can become
MAHATMA if we make ourselves proficient in virtuous living. The VOICE OF THE
SILENCE deals essentially with this process -has to be studied carefully
along with the SECRET DOCTRINE  

 

 

              "Since time began, and before there was beginning -- 

 

                         All things march to its drumming." 

 

I'm agnostic regarding the existence of a cosmological supergod 

(omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent), yet I believe that the 

universe itself is much larger than the meager god concepts commonly 

entertained by humanity.

 

 

DTB      THOSE QUALITIES ARE INNATE TO ALL LIVING BEINGS.  Seek in your
innermost consciousness for them and resolve to apply them in daily life
rigorously.

 

 

 

 2          DURATION includes all cycles as divisions of TIME, 

whether  manifested (manvantara) or non-manifested (pralaya), whether 

objective or  subjective.

 

I don't believe that durations of time exist in the context of 

eternity.  Eternity is above time, and therefore above durations.

 

 

 

DTB     WHAT WE MAY BELIEVE INDICATES MERELY UNCERTAINTY.  Beyond existing
acknowledged "limits": what is there further ? 

 

"Define AGNOSTIC."  Fact, or  personal ignorance ?

 

"DURATION" MERELY SAYS THAT TIME AS WE KNOW IT MAY EXTEND FURTHER  We live
IN IT.   We don't control it do we ? 

 

 

 

> 3          A single LAW [KARMA] of honesty and justice prevails, 

unbroken  DHARMA.

 

 

I believe in karma, but not reincarnation.

 

 

 

DTB     THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER YOU OR I "BELIEVE" in reincarnation.
The question is:  IS IT A FACT  ?   Do we have a fear of it ?  If so, why ?
What do we need to ,earn about it ? 

 

 

 5          All forms are temporary projections of an INTELLIGENCE 

which is  not entirely subject to experience (thought, act, feeling) in any 

plane.  The reincarnation of "Intelligence" is the 'Path' of the human 

monadic  progress at present.

 

 

Which 'intelligence' are you referring to?

 

 

DTB     EVERY BEING HAS ITS OWN SPECIFIC INTELLIGENCE BUILT UPON ITS PAST
LINE OF EXPERIENCE - JUST AS WE REMEMBER THE EARLIER DAYS AND YEARS OF THIS
LIFE. Intelligence implies reasoning, logic, the ability to use the mind,
however such a limited "mind" it might be. The qualities of an atom, a
specific genus of plant or animal - all indicate INTELLIGENCE that forms the
vital core essence of those and give them their specific qualities and their
own "personality or character."  Have you not had similar experiences ?

 

 

 

 6          The "ATOM" (as a basic unit of matter) is 

indestructible,

 

What about when atoms are split?  That's called an 'atom bomb'.

 

 

DTB - AT WHAT COST OF ENERGY ? And what practical value has been extracted ?


 

The "split" atom then makes up further atoms of a different constitution and
;power and intelligence.  Every chemical or physical reaction implies a
division of power and an increment o loss of "individual intelligence."  But
THE BASIC INTELLIGENCE always remains a constant of the WHOLE . 

 

 

 

 

 7          The "GOAL" of all  individual/personal experience  

through  'evolution,' is a perfect knowledge of LAW and of the power of 

choice.  It  also recognizes the superior force of thought to psychism (also


defined as  sentiment and emotion -- likes and dislikes).

 

A perfect knowledge of law?  What law?  Are you referring to the law 

of karma?         

 

                        

 

DTB     YES    WE ARE ALL INVOLVED IN THAT

 

1.         GOD   --  DEITY  --  UNIVERSE  --  NATURE  --  SPACE  

(to me:   synonyms)

 

 2.         MONADS  [ATMA (Spirit)  and BUDDHI (Wisdom -- knowledge 

of facts, laws and karma of NATURE ) eternally conjoined. The opposing pole 

is the material "atom." [Itself, a definite and fixed, 'personal' focus of
energy.]

 

Yes, I believe that it's all connected together.

 

 

 3.         Therefore, as the WHOLE UNIVERSE consists of 

these "spiritually  wise Monads,"  each is as ancient as any other (an 

ancient "brotherhood" in fact).  

 

To each, a "material" atomic counterpart is fixed.

 

 

DTB     YES

 

 

 4.         Their "WISDOM [Buddhi]," includes for final reference, 

an exact and actual pictorial HISTORY of all events over vast periods of 

both manifested and non-manifested TIME [manvantaras and pralayas 

impacted in Akasa.   each Monad can be retraced.].

 

 

Retraced?  To where?  How?

 

 

 

DTB     AKASHIC RECORDS HAVE THIS IN FULL

 

             KARMA:   In this all-inclusive LAW, their (individual; and
collective) 'WISDOM' may also be grasped as KARMA.  

   

 

             That implies a knowledge of all causal factors (choices made by
each free-willed independent Monad) that lead to the present exactitude of
effects and circumstances  All Monads of whatever level of experience embody
and include these factors. There can be no concealment, evasion, or
"influencing" any Karmic factor anywhere, or at any time -- from the vast
past up to now.

 

 

Okay.  I believe that everything in the universe balances itself 

out. 

 

 

 We just fail to see the big picture sometimes, so the world 

commonly appears very imbalanced to us.

 

 

DTB     AGREED

 

 5.         They [Monads] entirely pervade "SPACE" -- they are 

SPACE, and  have always been there and will continue to be there.

 

 

So monads never leave space to walk reincarnately?  Are 

reincarnations just projections of supernatural beings that never 

leave the supernatural realm to begin with?

 

 

DTB     WE ARE NOW THOSE SAME "SUPER-BEING."  BUT SUCH KNOWLEDGE IS
DANGEROUS IN THE HANDS OF SELFISH AND VICIOUS  -- HENCE IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO
THE VIRTUOUS - AND THOSE ARE THE Wise .

 

            WISDOM is BUDDHI - GENEROSITY AND BROTHERHOOD 

PRACTISED TO AND FOR ALL. B BHAGAVAD GITA  explains this.  Have you got it ?

 

It is hard and continuous work to acquire it.  

 

 

 

 

 6.         The Monad serves as a "connection" between the 

uncountable continually changing "personal forms" of matter in which 

INTELLIGENCE is refining itself by self-effort.

 

Again, which 'intelligence' are you referring to?

 

 

 7.         "EVOLUTION" is defined for Monads in the "human stage," 

as a moral struggle -- it is selfishness (of the personal emotional 

inclinations) vs. universality (or the impersonality) that is to be rigidly 

applied to all decisions.  It is the transformation by WILL of the
Kama-Manasic 

into the  Budhi-Manasic

 

 

An evolving intelligence is certainly not omniscient.

 

DTB     THE Brain is superior in intelligence to a finger yet both are in
the same body.  The inner INDIVIDUAL drives the brain and the finger. 

 

 

I fully agree.

 

 



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