Theos-Talk Archives (April 2006 Message tt00102)

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            RE: Dallas -  Fundamentalist misrepresentations  &

                                    Theosophical basics

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Dear V:

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Thanks, excuse my brevity and see notes below in text.  If not clear then
ask again.

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Let me say at the outset that THEOSOPHY, to me, is NOT one of the religions=
,
philosophies or sciences, but, as HPB presents it, it is a synopsis (or
pr=E9cis) of the wisdom available to all great Initiates [Mahatmas] as also=
 to
the ATMA-BUDDHIC PRINCIPLE in each one of us, as a MONAD . We instinctively
know when something is not TRUE  -- conscience ? ]

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I consider it futile to try to adjust theosophical terminology to that used
in current Western scientific debate.  [A library would be needed.  To
abbreviate the effort I suggest learning a new language:  THEOSOPHY --  and
its special meanings.  This will be found to include a review of history as
we know it and a number of adjustments will have to be made to that. Above
all, we need to be carefully analyzing the concepts and processes of
self-discipline offered on the =91Path=94 of self-purification, for their
fairness and accuracy.=20

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This may appear arbitrary.  But if we wish to learn about THEOSOPHY first w=
e
have to learn exactly what THEOSOPHY teaches.

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Then we can compare those statements [facts to its deeper students] with
modern science and its scholarly debates in many directions.=20

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First we may observe some similarities.

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1          "GOD," as concept, regardless of any credal "Name" is employed t=
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indicate the prevalence of the primal original and unchanging PRINCIPLE of
LIFE in SPACE, that pervades the whole of manifestation:

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             "Since time began, and before there was beginning --=20

                        All things march to its drumming."=20

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2          DURATION includes all cycles as divisions of TIME, whether
manifested (manvantara) or non-manifested (pralaya), whether objective or
subjective.

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3          A single LAW [KARMA] of honesty and justice prevails, unbroken
and uniformly.  All beings are its subjects.  No being has the power to
alter the EFFECTS which earlier CAUSES have set.  Its ideal is "duty" --
DHARMA.=20

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4          CONSCIOUSNESS      Is the ability to perceive along with any
other being, on any other plane of intelligent action or perception.

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5          All forms are temporary projections of an INTELLIGENCE which is
not entirely subject to experience (thought, act, feeling) in any plane.
The reincarnation of "Intelligence" is the 'Path' of the human monadic
progress at present.=20

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6          The "ATOM" (as a basic unit of matter) is indestructible,
eternally (and cyclically) active in the framework of its own (as well as o=
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the universal) program.

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7          The "GOAL" of all  individual/personal experience  through
'evolution,' is a perfect knowledge of LAW and of the power of choice.  It
also recognizes the superior force of thought to psychism (also defined as
sentiment and emotion -- likes and dislikes).

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Here are what seems to me to be basic concepts found in all.

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1.         GOD   --  DEITY  --  UNIVERSE  --  NATURE  --  SPACE  (to me:
synonyms)

They are ALL inclusive, whether objective (in material tangible forms) or
"subjective" (in ideas, thoughts, fancies, personal concepts and preference=
s
or likes, etc., )

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2.         MONADS  [ATMA (Spirit)  and BUDDHI (Wisdom -- knowledge of facts=
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laws and karma of NATURE ) eternally conjoined. The opposing pole is the
material "atom." [Itself, a definite and fixed, 'personal' focus of energy.=
]

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3.         Therefore, as the WHOLE UNIVERSE consists of these "spiritually
wise Monads,"  each is as ancient as any other (an ancient "brotherhood" in
fact).  To each, a "material" atomic counterpart is fixed.

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4.         Their "WISDOM [Buddhi]," includes for final reference, an exact
and actual pictorial HISTORY of all events over vast periods of both
manifested and non-manifested TIME [manvantaras and pralayas impacted in
Akasa.  Thereon, the 'Path" (choices made by each free-willed independent
Monad) that lead to the present exactitude of effects and circumstances) of
each Monad can be retraced.].=20

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            KARMA:   In this all-inclusive LAW, their (individual; and
collective) 'WISDOM' may also be grasped as KARMA.=20=20

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            That implies a knowledge of all causal factors (choices made by
each free-willed independent Monad) that lead to the present exactitude of
effects and circumstances  All Monads of whatever level of experience embod=
y
and include these factors. There can be no concealment, evasion, or
"influencing" any Karmic factor anywhere, or at any time -- from the vast
past up to now.=20

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5.         They [Monads] entirely pervade "SPACE" -- they are SPACE, and
have always been there and will continue to be there.=20=20

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6.         The Monad serves as a "connection" between the uncountable
continually changing "personal forms" of matter in which INTELLIGENCE is
refining itself by self-effort.

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7.         "EVOLUTION" is defined for Monads in the "human stage," as a
moral struggle -- it is selfishness (of the personal emotional inclinations=
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vs. universality (or the impersonality) that is to be rigidly applied to al=
l
decisions.  It is the transformation by WILL of the Kama-Manasic into the
Budhi-Manasic

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Currently, the fiery debate relative to =93Intelligent Design,=94 and,
=93Evolutionary Development=94 merely points to the underlying nature of
personal (material) INTELLIGENCE gradually (spiritually) individualizing
itself  under the general laws of universal spiritual and impersonal effort=
.

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Truth is no respecter of persons =96 let those of sluggish toes beware.  Of=
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=93tact=94 closely borders on untruth.  In the long run, honesty of speech =
is
more valuable and less time-wasting.=20

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I write this after many years checking and re-checking .

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Best wishes,=20

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Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:51 PM
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Subject: Dallas- Fundamentalist misrepresentations of  many things

                                    Religion,  Science,  Evolution,
Cosmology

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Dallas-

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You wrote:

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DTB     Thanks.  I also try to be impersonal in all things -- it's the=20

only way to build a brotherhood of understanding and tolerance I think.

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V         That makes sense.  I'm sometimes curious as to when to keep thing=
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impersonal (let's say when frictions arise with others), and when to=20

be more personal.  I think there's a place for both somewhere, but=20

I'm not always sure when or where.  Often I'll communicate some=20

small fragment of universal truth on an impersonal level, so as not=20

to put someone on the spot, but they sometimes get offended by it=20

anyway, taking it personally, when it was not intended as such.

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DTB     Truth is no respecter of persons =96 let those of sluggish toes
beware.  Often =93tact=94 closely borders on untruth.  In the long run, hon=
esty
of speech is more valuable and less time-wasting.=20

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> If THEOSOPHY is correct, as a complete record of what is actually
happening in the Universe (the Karma of cosmic and individual evolution) an=
d
with our own progress (as a deathless Monad progressing under this scheme)
we have a lot of ideas (personal ones) to modify and make more generous and
compassionate, I think.

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Do you believe that Theosophy is a complete record of what is actually
happening in the universe?  Is it not only a small fragment?  Or is it
larger?

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DTB     If you rad ISIS UNVEILED and the SECRET DOCTRINE as an effort to
adjust our history to actuality  -- then, I consider it futile to try to
adjust theosophical terminology to that used in current Western scientific
debate.  [A library would be needed.]

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  To abbreviate the effort I suggest learning a new et of language meanings=
:
THEOSOPHY --  and its special explanations =96 about esotericism and
occultism.=20=20

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This will be found to include a review of history as we know it and a numbe=
r
of adjustments will have to be made to that.=20

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Above all, we need to be carefully analyzing the concepts and processes of
self-discipline offered on the =91Path=94 of self-purification, for their
fairness and accuracy.=20

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This will be found to have been uniform curricula in the ancient =93Mystery
Schools.=94 ]

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DTB     I try to think of all others as my kin.  No frictions or prejudices=
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V         I believe that we are all spiritually united, whether we may all=
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realize it or not.

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DTB     Quite right  And that counts for everything as we are bound to
remain friends or enemies in the future =96 I would rather be friends =96 a=
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that demands respect for truth and honesty and loyalty =96 all spiritual.

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Blessings

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Vince

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