Theos-Talk Archives (March 2006 Message tt00757)

It is unfortunate for modern students that HPB did not reveal 
informatmion given to her Esoteric Section, on whom she relied to 
guide the TS, to Theosophists at large.  Bowen was a member of the 
Esoteric Section and was with HPB during the last weeks of her life.

How would Theosophists know what HPB was teaching the Esoteric 
Section, since their literature was not made public?  Bowen 
mentioned HPB's sense of urgency in teaching the Esoteric Section in 
her last weeks, and a sense of urgency is conveyed in the 
letter, "Why I Do Not Return To India."  

After sending the letter to India to be distributed among 
Indians, "for some reason," it was not distributed by Olcott and 
other leaders of the Indian Section.  This is certainly a measure of 
the opposition in India to Theosophy as HPB taught it.  Bowen, as a 
member of the Esoteric Section with Blavatsky in the last weeks of 
her life, was in a better position to know what she taught the 
Esoteric Section that was not available to other Theosophists.

Carlos, who are these people that are willing to accept as fact the 
whispers of a cabal who opposed HPB and deny the testimony of 
trusted students who stayed with her in the Esoteric Section until 
the end?  What was the motive of those in India that failed to 
distribute her letter to Theosophists in India?

The "take-over" of Blavatsky's Theosophical Society in India was all 
but complete one year before her death.  The persons present 
throughout the dismissal of Blavatsky's importance to Theosophy were 
Olcott and Besant.  

Olcott is the overlooked figure that was continuously involved in 
efforts to undermine HPB's authority, working as he did as a jolly 
good fellow to keep the opposition against HPB off his own back.  
Olcott worked to protect his own rear.  The success of his 
socialable betrayal is seen today in the organizations he left 
behind, which includes the American Section created after HPB's 
death.

Best regards,
Krsanna


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Dear Krsanna,
> 
> I also have a general, unfortunately vague recollection that there 
are 
> dedicated HPB students who doubt not only the authenticity of the 
Bowen 
> Notes, but also the authenticity of her Diagram of Meditation.
> 
> Yet this is not a big deal. Examining both texts we will see both 
are 
> consistent with H.P.B.'s  writings.
> 
> The Bowen Notes but stress and underline some basic points she had 
made in 
> several places, the Three Fundamental Propositions above all.
> 
> I would say the same as to the 1900 Letter, which is rather 
similar to the 
> so-called and fundamental  "Letter from the Maha-Chohan" (in fact 
it is but 
> a report on the Maha-Chohan's view of the TS).
> 
> And the 1900 Letter also anticipates all the mistakes A. Besant 
would do in 
> the following 33 years: that why its main sentences were kept 
hidden and 
> censored by A. Besant, C. Jinarajadasa and their successors.
> 
> I guess the tendency to reject there three documents may be 
associated to a 
> feeling that "everything which comes from Adyar is, in principle, 
false".  
> There are strong  reasons for such a feeling, of course, but 
whenever 
> possible things should be examined case-by-case and CONTENTS of 
documents 
> should be evaluated to see if they are consistent or not with the 
> HPB/Masters teaching.
> 
> I am not saying that the origin these documents  is authentic;  I 
am saying 
> that their content is consistent with their being possibly 
authentic.  And 
> the content, and the usefulness of things,  is often more 
important than 
> their outward  form or origin.
> 
> Best regards,   Carlos.
> 
> 
> 
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> >From: "krsanna" <timestar@...>
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Theos-World Re: WHEN TRUTH IS A LIE
> >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 05:16:20 -0000
> >
> >Bart -- I'm surprised that you would settle for casting doubt but
> >not proving.  Let me know when you find something definitive.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Krsanna
> >
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 	Ah! I found what I was looking for. It was more casting
> >doubt than
> > > proving false, but here's an indirect ref:
> > >
> > > 	http://theos-talk.com/archives/200306/tt00137.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bart Lidofsky wrote:
> > >
> > > > 	You are right; I was hoping that somebody here might 
know
> >more about
> > > > it. I will find out for sure tomorrow, however.
> > > >
> > > > 	Bart
> > > >
> > > > krsanna wrote:
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> > > >
> > > >>Bart -- Can you provide an authority for that citation.  "I
> >heard...
> > > >>[somewhere, sometimes]" doesn't do you justice.  I'm sure you
> >can
> > > >>come up with something better than that.
> > > >>
> > > >>Best regards,
> > > >>Krsanna
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@> 
wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>krsanna wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>Cass -- I posted the "Bowen Notes" taken from meetings with
> >HPB
> > > >>>>shortly before her death.  Best regards, Krsanna
> > > >>>
> > > >>>	I thought I heard something about the Bowen Notes 
being
> > > >>
> > > >>fraudulent; I
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>will have to check up on this.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>	Bart
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