Theos-Talk Archives (February 2006 Message tt00519)

2/22/2006 5:43 PM

Dear Friends:

As I see it:

The ONLY authority that is valid is TRUTH, honesty and openness.

The stages of learning depend on the qualities and character of the "seekers
for TRUTH."

The WISDOM of the Teachers and the KNOWERS resides in their ability to offer
to the SEEKERS such truths as they can understand and make practical and
beneficial use of.  

In other words if there is a karmic tendency to selfishness and oppression,
such knowledge and powers as might add to that are secured and hidden among
the texts made available -- so that only the PURE IN HEART m ay detect and
find them.  THEOSOPHY is a case in point.  But who believes this possible.

There is no "submission" to authority that is demandable without TRUTH being
debased. 

There is no goodwill in "hierarchies" nor is there any excuse for them. Each
human mind is a Monad fully cable of ruling itself at its own level if
BROTHERHOOD is rigorously applied.

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: carlosaveline cardoso aveline
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:34 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Theos-World MKR & Power Mechanisms


Dear MKR,

You say:

"I think the mindset of submission to authority is a result of interminable 
preaching of hierarchical order of things in the universe and nature and its

application everywhere. This leads to a logic that people higher up are more

"wise" and knowledgeable and hence should not be questioned."


I say:

"I agree. Blind, authoritarian culture label leaders as inquestionable 
because they are presidents of something, or because they are Mr.So and So, 
or because they are clairvoyant. Yet the first thing an authentic teacher 
does is to preserve the student's autonomy and the second is to ENHANCE and

strengthten it. As shown in the 'Mahatma Letters'  and HPB's  writings."

You say:

"Information flow is usually controlled in the hierarchical setup in the 
traditional setup with the control of medium of dissemination of info. 
Internet has upset this format in an irreversible manner and Internet is 
here to stay."

I say:

"I hope so."



You say:

"Another traditional way to control questioners is to provide incentives to
make them keep quite. It could be indirect or direct favors (either now or
in the future in this life or a future life) one can expect either with
titles (spiritual or temporal) or such other "favors" as being allowed to
speak/lecture to groups by being anointed as "official" (approved)
"speakers/lecturers". In rare cases if one is employed by the organization,
then one's livelihood is at stake and makes one think twice before
questioning and losing one's livelihood."

I say:

"You have a clear perception of the  mechanisms of power manipulation,
power blackmailing, emotional blackmailing. In order to improve the
theosophical movement,we must discuss this, too, and not only
repeat grand ideas.  We should make constante links and connections
between the grand ideas of Theosophy and our physical-emotional
practical attitudes and actions."



Thanks a lot,  Carlos.




>From: "M K Ramadoss" <mkr777@gmail.com>
>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: My membership application with Adyar TS
>Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:34:48 -0600
>
>I think the mindset of submission to authority is a result of interminable
>preaching of hierarchical order of things in the universe and nature and 
>its
>application everywhere. This leads to a logic that people higher up are 
>more
>"wise" and knowledgeable and hence should not be questioned.
>
>And those who have spent all their life in such an environment is stuck in
>it and are not capable of dealing with questioning minds. (Independent
>thinkers are most difficult to deal with in any case).
>
>Information flow is usually controlled in the hierarchical setup in the
>traditional setup with the control of medium of dissemination of info.
>Internet has upset this format in an irreversible manner and Internet is
>here to stay.
>
>Another traditional way to control questioners is to provide incentives to
>make them keep quite. It could be indirect or direct favors (either now or
>in the future in this life or a future life) one can expect either with
>titles (spiritual or temporal) or such other "favors" as being allowed to
>speak/lecture to groups by being anointed as "official" (approved)
>"speakers/lecturers". In rare cases if one is employed by the organization,
>then one's livelihood is at stake and makes one think twice before
>questioning and losing one's livelihood.
>
>So in the current changed environment, it is a challenge as to foster real
>unity while at the same time questioning whether submission to authority is
>necessary in spiritual matters while it may be necessary in the business 
>and
>worldly matters. This is a question that is faced in most organizations and
>it would be interesting to watch how this issue evolves.
>
>mkr
>
>On 2/22/06, plcoles1 <plcoles1@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>Yes they can be very "nice" to each other but the underlying glue that 
>keeps
>their "unity" is
>submission to authority and a closed mind.
>
>