Theos-Talk Archives (February 2006 Message tt00479)

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A Liberal Catholic Adept?

TWO MOMENTS IN THE LIFE OF JAMES I. WEDGWOOD,
THE MAIN FOUNDER OF THE LIBERAL CATHOLIC CHURCH

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Dear Friends,

Pedro Oliveira has brought to our  attention  (see below) the fact that  
James Wedgwood was   the main founder of the Liberal Catholic Church,  and  
C. W. Leadbeater  was only  second in importance.

But  who was the  “main founder”,  Mr. James Ingall Wedgwood?   More than 
seven decades later, there is no reason for secrecy about  that -- and the 
facts have been public for a number of years. Two quick  glances at his life 
may be enough -- for the moment.

ONE.

Ms. Mary Lutyens, the best-known of  Krishnamurti biographers and his 
lifelong intimate friend,  will be hardly doubted by Adyar people as a 
historical  source.

She writes in the chapter seven of her book  “The Life and Death of 
Krishnamurti” that in the night of August 7th, 1925, George Arundale  made a 
humble, but ground-breaking announcement: J. Krishnamurti,  Rajagopal, 
himself and James Wedgwood  had  achieved  the fourth great initiation the 
previous night. They  were now all “Arhats”.

Only two days after that,  as Mary Lutyens explains,   Arundale proudly 
announced the names of  those
who would be the “12 apostles” of the “Lord Christ”,  who was now arriving  
as a Messiah through his “vehicle” Jiddu  Krishnamurti.  Arundale was 
extremely close these days to James Wedgwood, the  founder of the  Church 
which was clairvoyantly destined to be  the priestly and ritualistic  
instrument of the new Christ.

A few days later, the moment of  utmost glory finally took place.  It 
happened  in the morning of  August 15, 1925.

Annie Besant,  the president of the Adyar Society,   called for  Esther 
Bright, Lady Emily (Mary Lutyen’s mother), Rukmini Arundale  (George 
Arundale’s wife) and Shiva Rao to make an announcement.  Soon they all were 
in her room.  Looking slightly embarassed, Mrs. Besant told them that she 
herself,  besides Leadbeater, Krishnamurti, Rajagopal, Arundale, Oscar 
Kollerstrom and James Wedgwood,  had all had  access to the fifth  and final 
great initiation and were now -- ADEPTS.  Humbly enough, Besant said that  
there should be no difference in the way the new Adepts  would be treated by 
the rest of the people and by poor non-initiates in general.

James Wedgwood was very much active providing  George Arundale with the 
insights for such marvellous initiatic occurrences.   Coincidence or not, 
both  James and George were now Adepts: a great blessing to the Liberal 
Catholics, indeed.  But  Krishnamurti started to distance himself from those 
miraculous events.

TWO.

Another moment in the life of Mr. James Wedgwood was not so happy or 
glorious,  and it occupied the entire two last decades of his life.  In  
1931,  just a few years after finally obtaining “Adepthood”, the founder of 
the L.C.C.  “became mentally deranged”, to use Mary Lutyens’ own words.  
Mary  writes in the Postscript  of   her book  “Krishnamurti -- The Years of 
Awakening”(p. 285):

“(...) As for Wedgwood, he became mentally deranged in 1931 and lived  
thereafter at the Theosophical Estate, Teckels Park, Camberley, Surrey.   He 
was quite lucid at times but had to be restrained from going out since his 
madness took the form of taking off his clothes in public.  He died in 
1951.”




Compared to this,  the other founder of the Liberal Catholic Church, the one 
who used to travel to Mars and Mercury  and who had regular conversations 
with the Lord Christ,   was much less eccentric indeed.


O o o O o o O o o O o o O



Best regards,  Carlos Cardoso Aveline.





> From: "prmoliveira" <prmoliveira@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Theos-World Re: CWL & MARS
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:51:22 -0000
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> <carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
>
> > I may have lost some message here, so I will repeat
> > the essential ideas:
> >
> > 1) If the Leadbeaterian descriptions of Mars & Mercury
> > are literally accurate,  Why have them disappeared from
> > later editions of "Inner Life"
> >
> > 2) Leadbeater was the main founder of the
> > Liberal Catholic Church. He also had strong missionary
> > instincts, and he visited MARS repeatedly. Do do you
> > believe that he might have organized some secret
> > religious mission to that planet, with L.C.C.
> > priests?
>
>
> No, you haven't lost it. My reply to you is included below. You are
> welcome to ignore my answers. Just don't expect me to answer the
> same question again and again.
>
> CWL was not the main founder of the LCC. It was James Ingall
> Wedgwood, who was consecrated on 13th February 1916. CWL was
> consecrated on 22nd July 1916. They are generally regarded as
> the 'founding bishops', but the main founder was Wedgwood.
>
> Editorial matters should be referred to editors. I was never an
> editor of TPH. Did you raise the editorial issues you are now
> raising when you worked in the editorial section of TPH Adyar back
> in early 1994?
>
> I see that you have chosen to ignore the quote from "The Secret
> Doctrine" on life on other planets, also included below . You are,
> naturally, entitled to do so.
>
> pedro
>
>
> > >From: "prmoliveira" <prmoliveira@...>
> > >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Theos-World Re: Pedro Oliveira, HPB, NASA & MARS
> > >Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:49:55 -0000
> > >
> > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline cardoso aveline"
> > ><carlosaveline@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > As a former International Secretary of the Adyar TS who lived
> for
> > >several
> > > > years in Adyar, perhaps you would give us all some
> commentaries on
> > >the
> > > > accuracy of these revelations about MARS, made by the
> remarkably
> > >clairvoyant
> > > > writer Charles Leadbeater, SEE BELOW.
>
>
> > >Not being a clairvoyant myself I am not in a position to comment
> on
> > >his observations. Personally, I think he was just offering his
> view
> > >on the subject. But it is interesting to note that the following
> > >passage from "The Secret Doctrine", vol. 2, addenda IV-B, seems to
> > >consider the possibility of life in other planets:
> > >
> > >
> > >"Venus, like Mercury, has a very dense atmosphere, as also has
> Mars
> > >and the snows which cover their poles, the clouds which hide their
> > >surface, the geographical configuration of their seas and
> > >continents, the variations of seasons and climates, are all
> closely
> > >analogous — at least to the eye of the physical astronomer.  But
> > >such facts and the considerations to which they give rise, have
> > >reference only to the possibility of the existence on these
> planets
> > >of human life as known on earth.  That some forms of life such as
> we
> > >know are possible on these planets, has been long since abundantly
> > >demonstrated, and it seems perfectly useless to go into detailed
> > >questions of the physiology, etc., etc., of these hypothetical
> > >inhabitants, since after all the reader can arrive only at an
> > >imaginary extension of his familiar surroundings.  It is better to
> > >rest content with the three conclusions which M. C. Flammarion,
> whom
> > >we have so largely quoted, formulates as rigorous and exact
> > >deductions from the known facts and laws of science.
> > >
> > >I. The various forces which were active in the beginning of
> > >evolution gave birth to a great variety of beings on the several
> > >worlds; both in the organic and inorganic kingdoms.
> > >
> > >II. The animated beings were constituted from the first according
> to
> > >forms and organisms in correlation with the physiological state of
> > >each inhabited globe.
> > >
> > >III. The humanities of other worlds differ from us, as much in
> their
> > >inner organization as in their external physical type."
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