Theos-Talk Archives (November 2005 Message tt00061)

 Hi Eldon,
your letter is really enchanting.It means that the himan body is created
first and then the soul comes to live in it.When does the descending of soul
occur in the body?does it have a physical event corresponding to it ?
piali

On 11/12/05, MarieMAJ41@aol.com <MarieMAJ41@aol.com> wrote:
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> In a message dated 10/20/2005 8:27:08 PM Central Standard Time,
> materia@pacbell.net writes:
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> That's one version of what the traditional Christians might say. It's not
> what we'd teach people wanting to learn Theosophy.
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> The theosophical idea is that we are eternal, timeless, perfect, but
> needing
> to go through an evolutionary journey through matter in order to awaken
> ourselves to self-conscious perfection. Some may take the Buddhist slant
> on
> this and say there's no eternal aspect to us, that we're an ever-changing
> stream of consciousness. That sounds like a contradiction, but it's really
> but a seeming paradox. Both viewpoints -- the eternal Self known as the
> Monad and the ever-changing stream of consciousness typified by the Void
> or
> Emptiness -- are complimentary, co-exist, and cannot be separated.
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> Every being that exists is the expression of a consciousness at a certain
> stage of development, the outward expression of some Monad. That being is
> not created when its body is born. Rather, the birth of the body could
> only
> happen if there was the organizing effect of a being seeking birth.
> Otherwise, the body would not be born; it would have no life.
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> Creating a new human body the ordinary way, through sex and natural
> childbirth, the parents provide an opportunity for some being to exist.
> That
> being gives the life to the body, and when that being departs, the body
> dies.
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> Creating a clone is a different way to produce a body. The rule still
> holds.
> It is a living body with a human consciousness behind it if there is some
> human Monad that attaches to it and gives it life. Otherwise, the clone is
> not viable.
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> A human form is created with a clone, but for it to live, a human Monad
> would have to animate it. Life is not created, merely another type of
> opportunity for someone to be born into the world.
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> The answer to the original question, I'd say, is that a clone has a soul
> (meaning it has a human Monad behind it), if the clone takes on life as a
> human being.
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> If the clone's body has genetic problems and is seriously defective, no
> human may incarnate into it, just as defective embryos may end up
> stillborn,
> with no one willing to live in them. If the body has good genes and would
> provide an attractive host, odds are, someone would be drawn to birth in
> it.
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> Eldon
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> Dear Eldon, thank you so much for your considerable explanation on this
> topic. At last I have grasped the theosophic concept completely.
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> Marie
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