Theos-Talk Archives (September 2005 Message tt00148)

Your views are noted Cass.
And I think we can let the issue rest there, at least for a while.

However compassionate actions will be taken and sought for.


from
M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World The competence of another man or institution


> Hello Morten,
>
> Morten wrote: Is it your inadequate Knowledge about the institution called 
> the US
> Government and its members motives you agree upon?
>
>
> Cass: I agree that there could be other motives for the lack of action. 
> For example, they could have been thinking that the Levees would hold. 
> That when the Typhoon was downgraded to a Typhoon 4 that the impact would 
> not have been as severe. Perhaps they only had accommodation for 30,000 
> evacuees and finding places for the remaining population would have been a 
> problem, or perhaps they didn't want to feel foolish if a compulsory total 
> evacuation had taken place, and Katrina proved to be less devasting.
>
> But as Iain says, the British, Aussies etc and other European states, 
> fully recognize and cater for the worst scenario possible. The second 
> attempt on the tube stations in London showed that all systems were in 
> place to deal with another disaster even though it turned out that the 
> bombers were incompetent.
>
> Morten wrote:Is it your inadequate Knowledge about the institution called 
> the US
> Government and its members motives you agree upon?
>
> Cass: Your defensiveness led me to assume that you were patrotic to the US 
> Government. My assumption, as you have since pointed out, was incorrect. 
> I was not trying to attack you, on the contrary, I believe that local 
> patriotism can lead to global patriotism.
>
> Morten wrote: To use Opinion, belief, assumptions or that "something 
> appears to be in a
> certain manner" as if it was real knowledge, will in fact never make it 
> true
> and Real Knowledge. We aught to use the inner Organ - i.e. the Buddhi or 
> Atmic organ, when we judge what motives various persons have with their 
> actions.
>
> Cass: This is an interesting point you raise, discrimination and 
> non-judgement of other's actions. As seekers of truth are we meant to 
> remain indifferent or at the least become non-interfering? At what point 
> when we see injustice (the tv coverage showing dead bodies in the polluted 
> waterways of New Orleans) are we meant to act/respond?
>
> Working from Manas we can only see the "truth" of the situation as we see 
> it. Perhaps, you are right, perhaps the Masters, who see the whole truth, 
> are able to let Karma run it's course without interference and 
> discrimination. Compassion on the manas level is very different from 
> compassion on the buddhic level. However, if we cannot feel compassion 
> for other souls, who may have passed before help could reach them, how can 
> we ever know buddhic compassion. Even if we failed and tried at least we 
> tried. Like you say Krishna and Arjuna fought side by side, perhaps an 
> indication of the fight between Higher and Lower Manas or Higher Manas and 
> Buddhi.
>
>
>
> Morten wrote: The question is when and how they do it,(the Masters) and 
> when not?
> Don't you think so?
>
> Cass: I can't answer that question. My intuition tells me that until and 
> unless mankind changes, Mother Nature will keep reminding us, until 
> eventually the message sinks in that we need to be brotherly towards each 
> other. Even if that means having differing opinions.
>
>
>
> Morton wrote:It is strange, this talk you have about a possible need to 
> "apologize".
> Morton wrote: A view of mine:
> There are theosophists who do not help people in need.
> They sit down and email all day long at various forums.
>
>
> Cass: My knee jerk reaction came from your comment above. That I did not 
> feel the need to apologize for the way I spend my time.
>
>
> Morten: If there is a compasionate need for remaining silent or inactive 
> when a
> hurricane strikes - one aught to follow up on that need.
> What is Wisdom really and truely?
>
> Cass: The Masters say, "The approach of every new "obscuration" is always 
> signalled by cataclysms - of either fire or water. But, apart from this, 
> every "Ring" or "Root Race has to be cut in two, so to say, by either one 
> or the other."
>
> So perhaps you are right Morten, perhaps as we do not see the big picture 
> one is best to remain silent or inactive, and leave Mr Bush and his 
> administration to Karma. The Lords of Karma know what they are doing; are 
> we to silently watch the madness and slaughter going on all over the world 
> without comment on those leaders who are propagating these actions?
>
> Morten wrote:Dear Cass, I think that I for obvious reason thought you 
> called me by the name "Katinka" in your earlier answering email. Now my 
> name is truely not "Katinka" and I am not a female. I do hesitate when 
> someone tries to confuse the realities, even if it is you who is doing it.
>
>
> Cass: My email was directed to Katinka (pride before a fall) and I believe 
> you commented on my response to her posting, she wrote: "The bitter truth 
> is that before man can know his own inadequacy, or the > competence of 
> another man or institution, he must first learn something> which will 
> enable him to perceive both. Note well that his perception > itself is a 
> product of right study; not of instinct or emotional > attraction to the 
> individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This > is 'Learning How 
> To > Learn." > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/sufi/teacher.html
>
> Cass: I still maintain my position that we and especially the US, in the 
> aftermath of Katrina, need to Learn how to Learn, and that if the US and 
> the world doesn't learn something from this event, that our own importance 
> will cause the fall for all of us. I realise that Katinka was referring 
> to an esoteric meaning, I see this, but applied it also to the exoteric 
> meaning.
>
> I return your wishes of peace
>
>
>
>
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