Theos-Talk Archives (September 2005 Message tt00137)

Hello Morten,

Morten wrote: Is it your inadequate Knowledge about the institution called the US
Government and its members motives you agree upon?


Cass: I agree that there could be other motives for the lack of action. For example, they could have been thinking that the Levees would hold. That when the Typhoon was downgraded to a Typhoon 4 that the impact would not have been as severe. Perhaps they only had accommodation for 30,000 evacuees and finding places for the remaining population would have been a problem, or perhaps they didn't want to feel foolish if a compulsory total evacuation had taken place, and Katrina proved to be less devasting.

But as Iain says, the British, Aussies etc and other European states, fully recognize and cater for the worst scenario possible. The second attempt on the tube stations in London showed that all systems were in place to deal with another disaster even though it turned out that the bombers were incompetent.

Morten wrote:Is it your inadequate Knowledge about the institution called the US
Government and its members motives you agree upon?

Cass: Your defensiveness led me to assume that you were patrotic to the US Government. My assumption, as you have since pointed out, was incorrect. I was not trying to attack you, on the contrary, I believe that local patriotism can lead to global patriotism. 

Morten wrote: To use Opinion, belief, assumptions or that "something appears to be in a 
certain manner" as if it was real knowledge, will in fact never make it true 
and Real Knowledge. We aught to use the inner Organ - i.e. the Buddhi or Atmic organ, when we judge what motives various persons have with their actions.

Cass: This is an interesting point you raise, discrimination and non-judgement of other's actions. As seekers of truth are we meant to remain indifferent or at the least become non-interfering? At what point when we see injustice (the tv coverage showing dead bodies in the polluted waterways of New Orleans) are we meant to act/respond? 

Working from Manas we can only see the "truth" of the situation as we see it. Perhaps, you are right, perhaps the Masters, who see the whole truth, are able to let Karma run it's course without interference and discrimination. Compassion on the manas level is very different from compassion on the buddhic level. However, if we cannot feel compassion for other souls, who may have passed before help could reach them, how can we ever know buddhic compassion. Even if we failed and tried at least we tried. Like you say Krishna and Arjuna fought side by side, perhaps an indication of the fight between Higher and Lower Manas or Higher Manas and Buddhi. 



Morten wrote: The question is when and how they do it,(the Masters) and when not?
Don't you think so?

Cass: I can't answer that question. My intuition tells me that until and unless mankind changes, Mother Nature will keep reminding us, until eventually the message sinks in that we need to be brotherly towards each other. Even if that means having differing opinions.



Morton wrote:It is strange, this talk you have about a possible need to "apologize".
Morton wrote: A view of mine:
There are theosophists who do not help people in need.
They sit down and email all day long at various forums.


Cass: My knee jerk reaction came from your comment above. That I did not feel the need to apologize for the way I spend my time.


Morten: If there is a compasionate need for remaining silent or inactive when a 
hurricane strikes - one aught to follow up on that need.
What is Wisdom really and truely?

Cass: The Masters say, "The approach of every new "obscuration" is always signalled by cataclysms - of either fire or water. But, apart from this, every "Ring" or "Root Race has to be cut in two, so to say, by either one or the other."

So perhaps you are right Morten, perhaps as we do not see the big picture one is best to remain silent or inactive, and leave Mr Bush and his administration to Karma. The Lords of Karma know what they are doing; are we to silently watch the madness and slaughter going on all over the world without comment on those leaders who are propagating these actions? 

Morten wrote:Dear Cass, I think that I for obvious reason thought you called me by the name "Katinka" in your earlier answering email. Now my name is truely not "Katinka" and I am not a female. I do hesitate when someone tries to confuse the realities, even if it is you who is doing it.


Cass: My email was directed to Katinka (pride before a fall) and I believe you commented on my response to her posting, she wrote: "The bitter truth is that before man can know his own inadequacy, or the > competence of another man or institution, he must first learn something> which will enable him to perceive both. Note well that his perception > itself is a product of right study; not of instinct or emotional > attraction to the individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This > is 'Learning How To > Learn." > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/sufi/teacher.html

Cass: I still maintain my position that we and especially the US, in the aftermath of Katrina, need to Learn how to Learn, and that if the US and the world doesn't learn something from this event, that our own importance will cause the fall for all of us. I realise that Katinka was referring to an esoteric meaning, I see this, but applied it also to the exoteric meaning.

I return your wishes of peace





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