Theos-Talk Archives (September 2005 Message tt00129)

Hi Cass,
I think the problem with the USA is that they have wanted to build 
up the image of invincibility and might. As you have said Pearl Harbour was 
a disaster, but intelegence given to FDR by British Intelegence and 
Churchill knew that the attack was on the cards thats why the aircraft 
carrriers were out of the base at the time,it wasnt co-incidence. What was 
left was sacrificial and it worked, FDR had no option but to declare 
war,which he wanted to do months before.
The Twin Towers similarly, no one could have predicted this ( however 
I remember a Richard Burton film in the 1970's predicting an airliner flying 
into a skyscraper) but the American idea is to build bigger than anyone 
else in the world, as you know of the Oz philosophy of life TALL POPPIES 
soon get chopped!The Cold war was largely the invention of the American Mind 
set,"Commies infiltrating every fabric of their society"So much time, 
effort,funding was squandered on armaments build up.
The US military may be the best equipped and one of the largest, 
unfortunatly the quality falls short.The amount of times on joint exercises 
and competitions that the RAF RN and Army detatchments leave them far 
behind. When put together in field operations it is chaos.Conspiricy 
theories I reject, covering up of incompatences and ineptitude I would whole 
heartedly agree with.
We in the UK have an excellent Emergency Planning set up. It is 
because we have the attitude of acknowleging that disasters can and will 
happen. So you get people to think out "What happens if?..... and from there 
you build up senarios, models and set aside equipment, and train your 
personell to deal with these possible occurences. I think in Oz your system 
is similar to ours. So that when a disaster strikes, your full time Services 
swing into action Police ,Fire Ambulance, Doctors(Field) Hospital EPs all 
staff report .Military resourses activated, Voluntary Aid Agencies 
Assemble.THEN EVERY BODY GETS ON WITH IT untill the job is done or EP tells 
you to stand down.
In the US the size of the disaster is huge it covers more territory than the 
whole of the United Kingdom, however, the difference is that the vast 
majority of people would have been dealt with within certain time limits 
certainly with in 3 days,longer for isolated areas. but what we are seeing 
that people in major conurbations still on roof tops a week after the 
storm.(picture the scene casualties huddled together,endevouring to keep 
their morale high singing Carol King songs such as "Up on the Roof" !!!)
I f the USA learns anything from this tragic disaster it has to be 
humility and come to terms that they do have many weaknesses.The arogant 
complacency that they are untouchable is just an illusion that has been 
swept away for ever.I can forsee a future disaster happening,I am not 
physcic or possess any special powers I see what has happened in the past 
and will happen in the future, I only hope that they have got their act 
together before it does.
cheers Iain

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World US Senator David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, 
gave a grade "F" ....


> Hi Iain,
> Don't you think that the Americans are a little naive. When Pearl Harbour 
> was bombed, the twin towers and Katrina hit, they went into shock and awe. 
> Part of the problem as I see it, is that the psychology underlying the US 
> as a nation, is that they feel invulnerable. Katrina is not something 
> that you can just throw cash at. We have had quite a few natural 
> disasters here, bush fires etc (albeit not on the grand scale of New 
> Orleans) but our emergency services were ready to move into Indonesia 
> within 24 hours of their Tsunami. And what do you think of the rejection 
> of all help from the world? This seems a little pompous to me. The world 
> leaders do not need any outside assistance? America is at its most 
> vulnerable now so let's hope that those who do not see the US as a threat 
> will not take advantage of this opportunity Mr.G.W.Bush is giving them. 
> Too many chiefs not enough Indians the way I see it.
>
> Cass
>
> Iain <ibse03888@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Bart,Certainly there was a report of that,but is that true for all over 
> the
> region, or was it an isolated incident, that can be used to justify delays
> in getting to people?
> As someone who is heavily involved in emergency proceedures with the
> RNLI (equivant to your US Coastgaurd rescue service)and also as a First 
> Aid
> trainer with St Andrews Ambulance Association AND St John Ambulance 
> Brigade,
> It is our priority to save life , certainly you maintain your safety but
> there are times when you have to go in to a situation where your concern 
> is
> for the casualty.and you will do what ever it takes to get them to 
> safety.In
> the RNLI we have an unofficial motto when we get a "shout".it is "we've 
> got
> to go, we dont need to come back."
> In the case of looters shooting at rescue workers it would suggest that
> they did not want rescued. I am sure there were others nearby that could
> have needed help. Which would strongly suggest other reasons some one 
> trying
> to cover their backside. But this detracts to the many people who are 
> doing
> their utmost to get as many people out of that horrific situation to all 
> of
> those we should praise them, back them all the way in the exhausting and
> harrowing tasks that they face.
> The Emergency Planning(EP) for this disaster leaves much to be
> desired.The scale of which was clearly underestimated.Sufficient warning 
> was
> available,the technology at your disposal the early warning system were
> working we knew about hurricane Katrina days before it occured, we tracked
> it on satelite, here in the UK its point of impact was predicted, the 
> after
> effects also predicted.The EP had enough time to get essential equipment 
> and
> materiel,emergency rations,Shelters,bodybags.and much more should have 
> been
> in suitable locations so that it was all near at hand with key personel on
> standby, all this should have been cleared up within two/three days 
> maximum.
> (that is people not property )
> Priority
> 1) save lives(fatalities will occur,all endevours to minimize
> --
> 2)Maintain lives(ensure food,water,shelter, available)
>
> 3)Evacuate where nessesary( immediate life threatning, increasing risk of
> life endangerment,no immediate threat
>
> 4)Medical triage( HospitalsTemp Surgeries/field dressingcentres/First Aid
> Posts, holding centres.mortuaries
>
> 5)Casualty disposal. rest areas/centres,eg church halls, municipal halls,
> tented village/camp
>
> 6) relative information centre
> Second
> Phase.Priority 1)Make area safe.stabilize buildings,remove any danger
>
> 2) Removal and record debris(cadivers/body parts)
>
> 3)repair infrastucture.(short term nessesaries)
>
> 4) Infection/desease control. decontaminate
>
> 5)secure area
> (long term) Third Phase Priority 1)
> Specialist equipment, heavy lifting gear,personel &etc.
>
> 2) clear roads.clear fresh water supply/sewage plants
>
> 3) return utility supplies
>
> This is only a basic plan but it is easily implemented.
> cheers Iain
>
>
>
> From: "Bart Lidofsky"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 1:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World US Senator David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican,
> gave a grade "F" ....
>
>
> > Iain wrote:
> > > Rioting , looting and lawlessness are occurring .rescue of
> > > people has been stopped so that police can deal with looters...WHAT ARE
> > > THE
> > > PRIORITIES? Do you save a life or a TV SET!!! The material stuff will be
> > > insured it will be written off as 1)soiled2) damaged, so big deal! Why
> > > are
> > > more lives not being saved? Is it because it is the Frail,
> > > elderly,Infirm,
> > > the poorest of the poor.The cannon-fodder of society, All are
> > > expendable.to
> > > the big business .idiom.
> > The looters are shooting at the rescue workers, keeping them from
> > rescuing those who need it.
> >
> > Bart
> >
> >
> >
> >
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