Theos-Talk Archives (August 2005 Message tt00106)

8/13/2005 11:41 AM



I have a few ideas:





Spectator without a spectacle [Patanjali 





It seems to me to imply that no physical object or memory is involved here.



Only there is a search for the unseen and interior CAUSE.



Added to that an applications of all we know of universal and impersonal
LAWS.



It is a method of SELF-examination and discovery.



The Lower Self, is considered in the light of the ATMA - the Fragment of the
UNIVERSAL SELF that inheres in our Monad. The inner HIGHER SELF always
bathes within that LIGHT. 



AKASA -- or the Universal and eternal IDEATION -- "Monas". [TRANSACTIONS
OF THE BLAVATSKY LODGE. 65 on the Manasa Putras [KUMARAS] being the direct
RADIATIONS of the ONE AND ALL.







Dallas



-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Amerman [mailto:wesamerman@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:55 PM
To: Jerome Wheeler
Cc: dalval14@earthlink.net; otownley@gmail.com
Subject: Re: HPB's Diagram of Meditation



Jerome,



Good question! That's something to ask Gerald Schuler, I suppose. Could it
have something to do with his statement, quoted by Dallas:: 

"Essentially one begins by uniting with emptiness in a formless spiritual
mental state. This kind of beginning is typical of Tantric yogas. This can
be helped by saying "I am all Space and Time" and then realizing it to be
so. Then one visualizes oneself as a spiritual being with purified skandhas
and no defilements."



Isn't this consistent with Patanjali, where one seeks the position of a
*spectator without a spectacle*?



Wesley









Jerome Wheeler <ultinla@juno.com> wrote:

In what way is it a Buddhist Tantric Yoga diagram.

jerome



On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Wes Amerman <wesamerman@yahoo.com>
writes:

Dear friends,



Dallas, thanks for forwarding Gerald Schuler's comments about HPB's
*Meditation Diagram.* I find it very helpful to learn that this is a
Buddhist Tantric Yoga diagram. It makes sense, of course, since it was
first published by a Buddhist author!



Does anyone else see a lesson in this for us long-time ULTers? HPB used
every means and every tradition known to her (some of which she introduced
for the first time to the West) to make her points. Isn't there a part of
the Second Object of the Movement that we may be overlooking? I'm not
trying to be critical, just pointing out that every *method* has its
strengths and weaknesses. Speaking strictly for myself, I can see how I
need to broaden my education.



Best regards to all,

Wesley



P.S. Is anyone going to the theosophical gathering/conference this weekend?
If so, will you be reporting back to any of the discussion lists?




"W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net> wrote:

8/12/2005 2:12 AM

Thanks Gerry:

Very helpful -- will now work on that for a while.

See below notes

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Schueler [mailto:gschueler@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:32 PM
To: Theosophy Study List
Subject: HPB's Diagram of Meditation

<
it. I do not understand it very well. I had hoped you had some clues.
Dallas>>


Dal, HPB's Diagram of Meditation is pure Buddhism. It is an outline of a
typical Buddhist tantric yoga, a special form of what is called deity yoga.


Essentially one begins by uniting with emptiness in a formless spiritual
mental state. This kind of beginning is typical of Tantric yogas. This can
be helped by saying "I am all Space and Time" and then realizing it to be
so. Then one visualizes oneself as a spiritual being with purified skandhas
and no defilements. 

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DTB Since our highest principles [ATMA & BUDDHI] are already of such a
stature (?) -- does this exercise not become an attempt of the personal,
embodied, Lower Mind (KAMA-MANAS) to attempt to make such a connection by
"purifying" itself of its own previously created impeding kamic skandhas ?

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GS
The purified skandhas are the five Dhyani Buddhas. The meditation diagram
that has come to us mentions only three of these under the title of
"aquisitions." It is pretty clear to me which three are mentioned, but
their names would mean nothing to most westerners.

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DTB see S D I 108, 114, 213, 267, 570 - 575, 571-3, 574 (twin soul),

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Then we have the five "deprivations." These are the basic defilements or
kleshas that must be eliminated through proper purification processes.


The meditation is one in which we identify our self with a spiritual being
having purified skandhas and no defilements. 


The ego-self or human personality is transcended. There are many variations
on this theme in Buddhist Vajrayana.

Then a hint to the meditator is given that "all the passions and virtues
interblend with each other." This is a reminder that when we separate our
good charcateristics from our bad, the aquisitions from the deprivations,
we are discriminating because such divisions are not really possible and
are Path-oriented mayavic illusions.

In my opinion, this kind of meditation, when practiced properly, goes far
beyond Patajali and Raja Yoga.

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DTB I think some elements blend -- conceptions of analogy and similarity
?

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Hope this helps.

Jerry S.

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